What does everyone have against Rome?

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Surprisingly there are a handful people out there who are not American.

As a matter of fact, the ORG is a Dutch colony.
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[Spoofa]

lol well i knew that! I was asking him personally because the raiders are an american football team, so if he wasnt he prly wouldnt know what MAA is talking about.

[pseudocaesar]

its a case of tall poppy syndrome. Romans were the best at everything, so naturally everyone nowadays hates them. Its pathetic and ridiculous. Its just immature kids that dont actually know anything about history, and cant appreciate the real accomplishments of the Romans. Il just pick ONE example...Concrete. Where would we be without that invention. Several hundred technological years behind i tell ya that much.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Hehe... I was trying a joke. Can scarcely make them work.
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[NeoSpartan]

uhm...... I see where ur going but concrete is bad example though. With the fall of rome the knowledge of concrete was lost until it was "rediscovered" by the 1700's by a British scientist-guy.

[Dayve]

Many things were lost with the fall of the Roman empire, concrete is probably one of the less important of them.

[MiniMe]

I never knew art of conjuring concrete was not known to Byzantines. Intresting. How so?
Oh, I see it, in fact they were greeks and thus underdeveloped in comparison to Ze "Best at everything" uber-romans.
And, since the discussion went this way, please tell me about the rest of rome glorious achievements that these filthy pervert greeks somehow managed to forget or diminish.
Thanx in advance

[Sarcasm]

its a case of tall poppy syndrome. Romans were the best at everything, so naturally everyone nowadays hates them. Its pathetic and ridiculous. Its just immature kids that dont actually know anything about history, and cant appreciate the real accomplishments of the Romans. Il just pick ONE example...Concrete. Where would we be without that invention. Several hundred technological years behind i tell ya that much.

First I felt anger towards this post, but then I just felt sorry for you.

Laughable.

[oudysseos]

Personally I don't play as Romans because I already know how that scenario turns out, so it's boring to me. I play EB to imagine how history might have been different. I do think that the Roman faction in EB was marvelously done though.

[tapanojum]

I dont play Rome because I like pretending my faction leader has turned a small and doomed nation around into a military machine and later a great empire. I already know Rome conquers the world so it's hard to role-play or imagine that part.

[Morte66]

The Romans are too easy.

[Thaatu]

I hate Rome because of the language. I mean, who replaces U with a V? Come on!

[Rodion Romanovich]

QFT!

Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the Judean People's Front!


I think many times it boils down to 2 things: A cultural component (they beat up my ancestors) or an attempt to view them through 21st century morals and ethics.

And the popular front of Judea!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

[konny]

Just out of curiosity, how exactly did the Greeks "benefit" from the Romans?
By getting conquered?

Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

[Pharnakes]

First I felt anger towards this post, but then I just felt sorry for you.

Laughable.

Thank you Sarcasm.

Now I don't need to bother typing that.

[Justiciar]

Mash the dirty red scum! Kick 'em in the teeth where it hurts! Kill! Kill, kill! Filthy bastard Rommies! I hate 'em! I hate 'em! Aaaargh! Aaaargh! *Shakes fist*

[MiniMe]

Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

Those of them who happened to be citizens of Korinth, did not had enough time to enjoy it, compliments goes to Lucii Mummii ;-)
(Not that I feel any simpathy towards EB Korinthoi, in my KH campaign they used to be the most "gifted" of all my precious family)

[Palasta]

I hate Rome because of the language. I mean, who replaces U with a V? Come on!

If i'm not mistaken it was them who actually replaced V partially and added the U to the alphabet.

The Romans are too easy.

Not as easy as in 0.81.

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Some Greeks might have found an end of the about 500 years (or more) of constant state of war in Greece desirable?

Yes actually they did seem to like warfare between cities. God knows why, but they did.
To make an example, let's say a few European countries start a war. No genocide or much civilian casualties, just scrapping. By your logic the best solution would be if China came and conquered Europe. And then the Europeans should be happy for it

its a case of tall poppy syndrome. Romans were the best at everything, so naturally everyone nowadays hates them. Its pathetic and ridiculous. Its just immature kids that dont actually know anything about history, and cant appreciate the real accomplishments of the Romans. Il just pick ONE example...Concrete. Where would we be without that invention. Several hundred technological years behind i tell ya that much.

yeah clearly you are very mature and unbiased

[CirdanDharix]

Utlimately, the Romans weren't really worse than most of their competitors; they were just better at mass-murder, mass-slavery and mass-rape than them. Thus, to modern sensibilities they appear to be a bunch of bloodthirsty fascist scumbags, but in fact, most of humanity has been for most of its history a bunch of bloodthirsty fascist scumbags. Nowadays, even most of the 'civilised' people who aren't bloodthirsty fascist scumbags are actually repressed bloodthirsty fascist scumbags.

Now, I still prefer Carthaginian perfidy to Roman perfidy. R0M4nZ R t3h SuXX0rz!!!

[pseudocaesar]

First I felt anger towards this post, but then I just felt sorry for you.

Laughable.

Yeh well, im sure i could have planned out my post a bit better, looking back it is pretty crap. But it gets to a certain point where you do just get sick of people constantly bagging out Rome for no decent reason whatsoever. You see it all the time, on every RTW forum around, so it does get annoying. If you can provide a valid reason for hating the Romans then be my guest and provide it for us all.

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If you can provide a valid reason for hating the Romans then be my guest and provide it for us all.

Valid is, unfortunately, a relative term. What is valid for one might not be for somebody else...

[konny]

Yes actually they did seem to like warfare between cities. God knows why, but they did.
To make an example, let's say a few European countries start a war. No genocide or much civilian casualties, just scrapping. By your logic the best solution would be if China came and conquered Europe. And then the Europeans should be happy for it

Well, there is a reason why a lot of Europeans don't like the US.....

[Decimus Attius Arbiter]

It's like Rebels Vs Empire in Star Wars. People want to kick Imperial ass.

[Pharnakes]

Actualy, I support the imperials in star wars.

The rebels have such a ridicoulously and impracticaly fluffy view of the universe. The imperialists are realists. The rebels on the other hand don't seem to appreciate that only the power is power, and no matter how much honour you have and how noble your goals, the universe doesn't give a damn.

It always annoys me so much in books and films when the good guys win from what is to any intelegent person a clearly untenable position, with a logistical nightmare, and yet they resoundingly and over-whelmingly crush the bad guts, with mimimum casualties, except for one or two carefuly chosen characters, who you know are as good as dead five minutes into the film/50pages into the book. God, why can't the bad guys win for once? At least it would provided a bit of variation.

[Zarax]

There is no good or bad in history.
Just different shades of ugly...

[Zangor]

Actualy, I support the imperials in star wars.

The rebels have such a ridicoulously and impracticaly fluffy view of the universe. The imperialists are realists. The rebels on the other hand don't seem to appreciate that only the power is power, and no matter how much honour you have and how noble your goals, the universe doesn't give a damn.

It always annoys me so much in books and films when the good guys win from what is to any intelegent person a clearly untenable position, with a logistical nightmare, and yet they resoundingly and over-whelmingly crush the bad guts, with mimimum casualties, except for one or two carefuly chosen characters, who you know are as good as dead five minutes into the film/50pages into the book. God, why can't the bad guys win for once? At least it would provided a bit of variation.

Wow, I'm making a bad habit of actually posting. I'm ruining my amazing lurkiness! I've actually made more than one post in the same thread now! What's next, actually posting on a regular basis?!

Anyway, try reading 1984. It has a suitably depressing ending.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Wow, I'm making a bad habit of actually posting. I'm ruining my amazing lurkiness! I've actually made more than one post in the same thread now! What's next, actually posting on a regular basis?!

Anyway, try reading 1984. It has a suitably depressing ending.

That's funny, I was just thinking about the exact same book when I read that post.

[Maeran]

Or you could treat Star Wars Episodes I-III as a seperate entity from the other films. Then a scheming Palpatine wins.

1984 is good for that, but it was the result of Orwell's anti-Stalinist political view (although he supported communism in the Spanish Civil War). It was a Warning. As was Animal Farm, which had a similarly dark ending.

In Catch-22 the protagonist (would you call Yossarian a hero? I would, but, yannknow...) escapes, but the bad side of authority is still in authority.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Episodes 1-3 are separate. The first trilogy was made by a visionary, episodes 1-3 were made by a capitalist.

Am I sufficiently off topic?

EDIT: One of the things that needs to be emphisied about 1984 is that it isn't just about Stalinism. It is a warning to all peoples in all places. If you follow current US politics, the book is extremely frightening. But now I'm off topic in an area that isn't permitted in the forum.