What does everyone have against Rome?

[hellenes]

Freedom from the Macedonian yoke. Albeit they traded one master for another, but apparently the Rome was preferable to them as they asked for their assistance. More importantly, the ceaseless warfare finally came to an end.

Not to mention the benifets of Roman culture and technology, much of which was simply taken from the Greeks and improved upon by the Romans.

But I'm not going to get involved in another "pro-Rome vs anti-Rome" debate. Getting a little tired of them tbh.

Makedones were Hellenic people...so did the Hellenes liked the persians when they finansed the Peloponnesean war? For "Freedom from the Athenian yoke"?

[Lgk]

To be fair, history has very few honest players.

Yeah, but Romans were ones who constantly trumpeted their own "honesty" out loud, which makes it twice as bad. As for example, standard roman procedure in many bad situations was to sign unfavorable peace (thus saving the troops), regroup, and then discard that peace, blaming anything on some single person... That happened in Caudine Forks, in Numantia, in Numidia, to name a few - and no doubt in many other smaller episodes. And constant backstabbing of their own allies? And the whole 3rd Punic war prologue... utterly disgusting.

Not to say that the whole roman concept of "just war" is absolutely laughable.

...so did the Hellenes liked the persians when they finansed the Peloponnesean war? For "Freedom from the Athenian yoke"?

In fact, "Athenian yoke" wasn't a joke. ;)
Just read Thucydides and Xenophontis.

[Tiberius Nero]

Yeah, but Romans were ones who constantly trumpeted their own "honesty" out loud, which makes it twice as bad.

Who didn't and who wouldn't?

[Lgk]

Who didn't and who wouldn't?

A lot of other people of the same era. IMO.

Then why'd they lose?

Because they were short of just one another Hannibal. ;) They only needed to send the second guy either into Iberia or Sicilia to fix things there (hell, they could even just leave him in Africa, judging by Hannibal's own efficient post-war rule of Carthage) - and that would be enough.

[Fionnlagh]

I'd probably say the reason I'm not fond of the Roman empire is that they destroyed and enslaved so many different Cultures. That is just something that really bothers me, screwing with other peoples beliefs and Culture really annoys me for some reason; maybe its the fact that Celtic Culture has been kicked in the nuts so many times and that Celtic Culture is apparently the wrong way to live.

Those "inferior" cultures were then replaced with Roman laws, language and Religion.
Then again this is my biased opinion because of what they did to the Gauls, Britons and all Celtic peoples.
I think the world would be better if Brennus had just killed off the Romans after he sacked Rome in 390 B.C.

But pay me no mind:P