Sins of our fathers

[Long lost Caesar]

Playing many Romani campaigns and taking different directions each time, one question has always hung over me: where did the Romans conquer, and when? basically, in order which countries did they defeat?
always wanted to know where they went, as SORT OF a roleplaying motivator. cheers

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

[Tarkus]

Wow...great animated graphic, MAA!!! Can I ask you where you got it?

[Beefy187]

There was one on wikipedia I think

Just search Roman Empire

[Long lost Caesar]

i want to have his babies thanks man, never relised history played out like that.

[Boyar Son]

Why is this thread called "sins of our fathers"????

[Long lost Caesar]

I thought id follow in the footsteps of me great great great great great great great great great.....grandad. Figured the name suited it.

[Dayve]

Just a quick question about that timeline you posted... In 1400AD when all that's left of the Byzantines is the south of Greece, or Sparta and Corinth as would be represented in EB, how can that still be called Byzantine territory? Did the last rightful emperor of the Byzantines decide to migrate there and hang on to the very last shred of his territory? Or did somebody from that part of the empire just declare himself emperor and declare that very last part of territory owned the Byzantine empire? I don't get how that works.

[Pharnakes]

Because it is the last remenant to have roman law, I think? Not really sure though.

[Dayve]

Ah ok. So even though they're not actually governed by the Byzantine empire, (which is dead) they are still considered a part of it because their local rulers used the same laws and/or government system?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Wow...great animated graphic, MAA!!! Can I ask you where you got it?

I wish I knew, I really should give credit to where ever I got it. I found it on some random site a couple years ago.

And in AD1400 to the end, Constantinople was still the capital and the Byzantine Emperors still lived there, its just the only loyal territories outside the city were in southern Greece.

[Intranetusa]

MAA, why does it say Rome and "Romania" at the end?

Romania?

[Pharnakes]

I suppose cause romania literaly means something like land of rome? IDK...

[Maeran]

The Byzantines were never called Byzantines until they were history.

They called themselves Romaioi, but their emperor at least was sometimes referred to in the west as the king of Roumania. Modern Romania almost certainly takes its name from this.

[NeoSpartan]

now that was sweet man. Thanks Marcus A.A.!

[Emperor Burakuku]

Yes, somehow. The early valahian (medieval romanians from Valahia) voievods (princes) saw themselves as the continuators of bizantine tradition after the fall of Byzantium in 1453. And therefore, the later name of Romania after the 3 principates united Valahia (A.K.A Tara (country) Romaneasca (romanian)), Moldavia (the name, as the legends says, comes from the dog of one of the first voievods, but may be cuman, and not romanian, it's complicated)and Transilvania (where Dracula comes from, which was conquered by Hungarians in early medieval period). And so, from the Country of Romans (who were no more at the time) became the Coutry of Romanians (and later modern Romania). Simple.

[Long lost Caesar]

[russia almighty]

Meh the Third Roman empire was the Russians. So technically Rome finally died when the Bolsheviks took over .


Which if I had been possessing Stalin I'd rename the U.S.S.R to the Roman Empire and make it the # 1 goal to conqueror both Rome and Constantinople.

[Emperor Burakuku]

No. The 3rd Reich eas the last Roman Empire. U.S.S.R was something else... the Mongols. Hitler was Nero and Stalin Gingis Han or Timur Lenk. Right?

[Palasta]

This one is from wikipedia.de (german)



http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_romanum

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

If you want to believe in the "translatio imperii", invented by Otto the Great, the empire and its heraldic symbol, the eagle, passed from Rome to Byzantium to the empire of the Franks of Carolus Magnus, and from there to the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, which ended in 1806. But the Tsars and I think other nations as well claimed the same. So every nation with a heraldic eagle except Zimbabwe I think worship Jupiter Romanus.

[delablake]

No. The 3rd Reich eas the last Roman Empire. U.S.S.R was something else... the Mongols. Hitler was Nero and Stalin Gingis Han or Timur Lenk. Right?

Well...I doubt that Hitler spoke any Latin or that Nero built gas-chambers, nor did the Nazis bring any culture (apart from hate) to the rest of the world, but I agree on Stalin as Timur Lenk

[pezhetairoi]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

[tapanojum]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...

[The General]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

If by 'Byzantine peninsula' you mean the area around Constantinople, it's not a mistake ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Empire



Also, the map focuses quite a bit on the years 600-900, and omits, for example, this stage, 1173 AD:

[Axel JD]

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...

The first emperor in exile was Theodoros Laskaris and was indeed very successful. Saved the day, sort of thing.

[Danest]

The Romans would have conquered, or been conquered, much faster if they'd been surrounded by countries as stubbornly undiplomatic and aggressive as the RTW AI. It's hard (and not very realistic) to try to recreate history if the other countries aren't supporting your endeavour. ;)

[-Praetor-]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

That was the 4th crusade IIRC.

[Mithradates VI]

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...

This would be all thanks to the Fourth Crusade.

And the Venetians.

Stupid bloodthirsty Venetians.

Anyway, they took Constantinople in 1204, but Michael VIII Paleologus retook the city from the Latin scum in 1261.

[delablake]

Maybe it's out of topic, sorry, but I am still waiting for a movie on the Fall of Constantinople in 1453. What a dramatic scenery...
the last Roman Emperor dies fighting on the barricades, all the bells are ringing and the big Cross on the Hagia Sophia comes crashing down...
(And the Venetians paid a bitter price later, when the Turks started to conquer the rest of the South-East Mediterraneum, including Crete and Cyprus, though never made it in Malta.)
(shivers)