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    I come here asking a question to knoweledgable people and "google" is what i get innocentius?

    I cant help but think you answered me like this because of some debate in the backroom...

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    I can't help but think that you would have had an answer if you would have asked it more politely, more precise and maybe backed by some research already done by you where others could start off.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    I come here asking a question to knoweledgable people and "google" is what i get innocentius?

    I cant help but think you answered me like this because of some debate in the backroom...
    If you want to know more on the subject, finding more basic information first is a polite way to go about it. Clearly by your extremely broad questions this knowledge doesn't exist yet, so it's quite justified that some people decide to put as much effort into answering as you put into questioning.

    That said, some people have been remarkably polite and given their answers to your questions. Be grateful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
    If you want to know more on the subject, finding more basic information first is a polite way to go about it. Clearly by your extremely broad questions this knowledge doesn't exist yet, so it's quite justified that some people decide to put as much effort into answering as you put into questioning.

    That said, some people have been remarkably polite and given their answers to your questions. Be grateful.
    You guys went on to talk about weopons and google! lol

    ok, 1000 AD- 1300 AD, big difference in them? if so im interested in 1000AD

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    yeah and about google, not very helpful... mostly games comes out.

    @Watchman-hmm no time? that must be some essay

    @pannonian- if they require that then i guess its best i dont go there, my medieval war history comes from totalwar games, kindom of heaven, and braveheart.

    @Pheasant phil-im sorry you have the wrong thread, this is about medieval war tactics and strategy.

    Really I tried google, wiki too and they dont answer my questions at all, thats why I came here, not to be flamed though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    @Watchman-hmm no time? that must be some essay
    Oh you bet. I could spend hours merely discussing various major deviations from the very general and abstract summary The Stranger gave...

    It's kind of like someone in the Backroom once quipped about Socialism; "it's like metal music, where every eejit seems to have his own brand."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman
    Oh you bet. I could spend hours merely discussing various major deviations from the very general and abstract summary The Stranger gave...

    It's kind of like someone in the Backroom once quipped about Socialism; "it's like metal music, where every eejit seems to have his own brand."
    so can I :P i said it was very general...

    but he isnt really asking a very detailed question... so he gets general answers... and I wont be retyping entire books... if he wants to know... visit the library...

    @Boyar Son, if i were you i'd take the advice of geoffrey
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    I guess you guys find questions that are not easy irratating lol but ok I thank those who answered me on the topic or provided me with a source. Others, exactly what do you expect from me, from a question basicaly telling me to go somewhere else?

    @peasant phil-still no answer to the topic eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    @Pheasant phil-im sorry you have the wrong thread, this is about medieval war tactics and strategy.
    I'm sorry, I don't quite follow. What has the subject has to do with the way you pose your question (demand?)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    You guys went on to talk about weopons and google! lol

    ok, 1000 AD- 1300 AD, big difference in them? if so im interested in 1000AD
    Still a massive subject. Look, try this. When you ask a historical question, it's extremely easy to end up with such a massive subject that it's impossible to give an answer outside of writing a thick book, and even then it's tough. To prevent this, it's essential to contain a number of basics in a question: time, place, context (or subject). Once you've done that, look if it's possible or necessary to limit the wording even further; for instance, Europe to France, France to Normandy; or 'medieval' to 1000-1300, 1000-1300 to a more accurate time, and that to a specific event you feel illustrates what you want to investigate. Without these it's impossible for others to answer in a meaningful way.

    Like I said, expect as much effort in replies as you put into your own research before posing the question. In that regard I think some have been extremely generous to you, and you yourself rather thankless.
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    @Watchman-hmm no time? that must be some essay
    Well, yeah. Plenty of books written on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    You guys went on to talk about weopons and google! lol

    ok, 1000 AD- 1300 AD, big difference in them? if so im interested in 1000AD
    Time and locale. If you want a good answer, it'll probably go into social structures and economics as well. Look in google groups in soc.history.medieval and you'll find some decent threads on the subject. Eg. one discussion of Hastings went into a discussion of the geography, the strategy of both commanders leading to and entering the battle, logistics, timing of sunset, etc. From that thread, I learnt more about why each side did what they did than I ever did at school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian
    Time and locale. If you want a good answer, it'll probably go into social structures and economics as well. Look in google groups in soc.history.medieval and you'll find some decent threads on the subject. Eg. one discussion of Hastings went into a discussion of the geography, the strategy of both commanders leading to and entering the battle, logistics, timing of sunset, etc. From that thread, I learnt more about why each side did what they did than I ever did at school.
    pannonian I googled this site but I dont see much sites that match the quality of the one you described, so could you post a link please?

    or is this it? http://faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/so....medieval.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    pannonian I googled this site but I dont see much sites that match the quality of the one you described, so could you post a link please?

    or is this it? http://faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/so....medieval.html
    That's the newsgroup. Now look in the archives about those subjects you want to know about. And don't bother posting general questions like those you've done here until you've done at least some preliminary research to show you at least know the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son
    I come here asking a question to knoweledgable people and "google" is what i get innocentius?
    Yes, that's because Google should always be your first option and choice when looking for information online. There's tons of webpages out there, use them! And if you can't find anything on these websites, check what books there are on the subject.

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    I cant help but think you answered me like this because of some debate in the backroom...
    I can assure you that is not the case (I don't even recognize you from the Backroom), but I've seen other threads in various forums were people pop in and throw a very broad question, asking that it be answered for them - even though they could find out themselves in the first place.

    I can also assure you that no one in here is knowledgeable enough to fully answer your question. Like Peasant Phill said; ask more politely, back it up with some of your own research and ask a somewhat more precise question, and at least i would be glad to help (if I can, that is).
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    As it happens I've read enough on the subject that I could answer, to some degree at least, even the broad-spectrum inquiry here. But merely thinking of the amount of typing that would be necessary to cover any of the numerous different "theaters" (which actually had surprisingly little interaction with each other much of the time, chiefly due to geographical obstacles) of Medieval European warfare to any degree frankly boggles the mind.

    Put bluntly, I don't have the time, energy or interest for that kind of essay.

    Which is why more specific questions of more manageable scale and depth would be rather more likely to get real answers beyond "...just Google it, 'kay?"
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