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    Right. Now that I've caught your attention with the title , I'd like to pose a little question to anyone who feels like contributing:

    What historical figure, less well-known than most, merits at the very least a better place in history, and maybe even a nice movie or two?

    In my opinion, the figures who deserve more are:

    Scipio Africanus - This is the man who beat Hannibal for Gods' sake! And if the books, and the wiki article, I've read are telling the truth, he was an unbeaten general who didn't use his great popularity with the masses to his own advantage i.e by naming himself dictator-for-life, as a certain Gaius Julius did... (And I know there was a film made about him, but given that it was done by Fascists in the 30's, I'm discounting it)

    Darius III - By some of the more interesting accounts I've read this is a man who was a more competent ruler than has been made out to be and who, well, gained everything and lost everything. Maybe a story from the loser's side, for once?

    Xerxes I - Forget the dark-skinned half-naked brazilian covered in piercings from 300. Under this man, the Persian empire arguably reached its zenith, the greco-persian war notwithstanding. How about rehabilitating this man into a role that doesn't have him at the head of an army 'of barbarians, drawn from the four corners of the empire' (to once again use 300)

    And just for variety...

    Agustina de Aragón - The Maid of Aragón. A Spanish heroine of the napoleonic war and arguably my country's first female war-time heroine . This is a woman who fired a cannon at point-blank range into charging frenchmen, was decorated for bravery (Twice!!), was actually given the position of an artillery seargent, was captured, then released (or escaped, details are hazy), met Wellington, participated in three famous battles (the first and second sieges of Zaragoza and the battle of Vitoria), was married twice, had a child die in a French prison, and after the war spent the rest of her life a respectable woman married to a doctor who still wore her war-time medals. Surely a life that colouful merits so much more?? Besides, if nothing else she's remarkable for scoring extremely well on the uneven playing field of the sexes of the nineteenth century. (P.S if you're skeptical, check Wikipedia. If you understand Spanish, check out this link, which is obviously better http://www.1808-1814.org/frames/frambios.html)

    So what's YOUR favourite historical character(s) which you feel merit more than they've been given?
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    John Curtin. Fantastic wartime Prime Minister for Australia - managed to put the Australian economy onto a total war footing, effected greater independence from Britain, shaped a lasting alliance with the United States and profoundly altered the character of Australian federalism.

    Darius III comes a close second :)

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    wow, i'm glad someone brought this up.

    1) timoleon. from what i know he was a corinthian that went to sicily and expelled the tyrant of syracuse, as well as some other greek cities there, and managed to repel a massive(relative to his own troops, i hear he was outnumbered 2-1) carthaginian invasion.

    2) menander. i mean the king of indo-greeks... he seemed to be one hell of a leader. :)

    3) bactria in general. i've actually never seen anything about this kingdom other than when i read about the history of afghanistan... and, well, EB of course.

    4) hayasdan in general. first time i heard about this kingdom was in EB.

    5) pergamum. from what i've read in the EB texts, they were quite instrumental in the rise of roman power in asia minor.

    6) massilia. well... they're located on a very interesting place, plus, first time i heard of a celto-hellenic city. :P

    7) the indians. almost nothing's written about... how did these people fight exactly? because we really need to know... did they bring alexander's mighty phalanxes and hetairoi to their knees with just their elephants, or did they also have some kind of military organization?

    8) the greek cities located on the cimmerian bosporus. interesting location and mix of scythians and hellenes.

    9) sauromatae. i'm not buying into the "king arthur" shits that some movie starring clive owen was selling. although from what i know there did seem to be some sarmatian cavalry units under the control of the roman army... what i want to know is did they ever really threaten anyone other than the scythians? were they ever a great big military force that frightened the fishes out of some soldier's mouth?

    10) the chinese. i've never read about anything about how they fought their battles, how they organized their men, etc. well, other than the so-called 'arrow storms' of the qin, i've never really heard of any chinese battlefield tactics or maneuvering, encirclement, cavalry charges... nada.

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    I think a film about the Galatian migration would make a great historical epic. It could follow several families through several generations, starting in Gaul and finishing with mercenaries settling in Egypt. Along the way you could have the raid on Delphi and battles with the Macedonians, and the defeat at the hands of Seleucid elephants in Asia Minor.
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    I'll second that Galatian film.


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    Xenophon, barely heard of outside academic circles. Ditto for Parmenion, though we don't know a lot about him.
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    Themistocles - Athenian general and statesman.

    Lucius Cornelius Sulla - Roman general and dictator.

    James Connolly - Commander in Chief of Easter Rising of 1916.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admetos
    I'll second that Galatian film.
    I put a 3rd on that Galatian film.

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    A film about the Galatians? Nah. A game? Hells yes.
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    I think Antigonis Gonatas.
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    Well... Sertorius, Xenophon, Viriathus, Jacob van Artevelde, Sergei Witte, and Pyotr Stolypin for a start.
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    I hear ya on Witte.

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    The Galatian movie sounds awesome, makes me the fourth
    I'm a bit confused that nobody mentioned Seleukos Nikator or Antiochos III Megas, or any of the Diadochi kings. Hell, I'd even like a movie about those damn yellow, inbred corpse stealers!
    And of course a movie about the Persian Shahanshahs, especially Cyrus, Xerxes and Darius III.
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    I'll be the fifth to clamour for a Galatian movie. And game, book(s), TV series, and assorted promotional products (Galatian T-shirts, Galatian dolls action figures, plastic Galatian swords, Galatian mugs, etc). I'm sure that we could actually prove that a movie can be historically accurate and successful both with the critics and the unwashed masses. We could even release an uncesored "director's cut" version on DVD afterwards, with the brutal rape scenes that couldn't be shown in theatres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CirdanDharix
    I'll be the fifth to clamour for a Galatian movie. And game, book(s), TV series, and assorted promotional products (Galatian T-shirts, Galatian dolls action figures, plastic Galatian swords, Galatian mugs, etc). I'm sure that we could actually prove that a movie can be historically accurate and successful both with the critics and the unwashed masses. We could even release an uncesored "director's cut" version on DVD afterwards, with the brutal rape scenes that couldn't be shown in theatres.
    Oh my god, now I'M really confused about whether you support the idea or not

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    Ptolemies really, really need an historic movie about them that doesnt portray them as the old egyptians, plus a movie about the diadochi wars would be suh- weet!

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    What movie has the Ptolomies in it?
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    I think there is no movie that is all about the Ptolemaic Dynasty. There are some that have one Ptolemaic king or queen as a side character ("Alexander" and a few movies about Gaius Julius Caesar being examples), but that's it.
    And in all Caesar movies that I've seen, the Ptolemies are represented as Egyptian Pharaohs, and nobody that doesn't know anything on the subject would ever think that they were in fact greeks (macedonians to be exact), not native Egyptians.

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    Sargon, and Hammurabi, maybe. Gilgamesh perhaps. Other Mesopotamian rulers from when rome was a cultural backwater.

    I'm way into ancient mesopotamian history. I think a great mod would be one set in about 2000-1100 BC in mesopotamia, recounting the struggles to unite the plains. And huge unit settings could just about be a 1:1 person representation of many of those battles.

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    Mithridates VI Eupator Dionysos

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    How about Sulla? He vas the first "emperor", but doesn't get even the smallest amount of publicity if you compare him to caesar
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    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88
    How about Sulla? He vas the first "emperor", but doesn't get even the smallest amount of publicity if you compare him to caesar
    Sulla marched on Rome twice, declared himself "dictator for an indefinite period" and later gave up rule to the Senate when he got old. He was a contemporary of Marius - Marian reforms ftw!

    Sulla > Caesar
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    Definitely Sulla. Already mentioned him! He would make a very interesting film.
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    John Hyundi, and Alcibiades.

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    Did John Hyundi invent cars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by horst nordfink
    Did John Hyundi invent cars?
    No, he kept the Ottomans from conquering Austria.

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    I've never heard of him before!

    Do you mean John Sobieski, King of Poland?
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