can't get the seleukia reforms...

[anubis88]

I've already lost 3 battles against Parthia with Cataprachts... My generals lost a few bodyguards just as the FAQ says, but i still didn't get them? Am I missing something?

[Intranetusa]

I think the loses have to be "huge." - like getting a huge army wiped out...?

[anubis88]

What does a HUGE battle look like? how many man must die?

[Tellos Athenaios]

The code is quite complex, yet isn't adapted to deal with various unit settings, and by the looks of it to have a real chance of acquiring the reforms you must play with large or hughe units; and have at least one major (i.e. big, massive armies) battle with a 'Cataphract Faction' in which the opponent deploys lot's of cavalry.

Look it up in the EBBS and export_descr_character_traits.txt files, for exact requirements.

[Constantine the Great]

The code is quite complex, yet isn't adapted to deal with various unit settings, and by the looks of it to have a real chance of acquiring the reforms you must play with large or hughe units; and have at least one major (i.e. big, massive armies) battle with a 'Cataphract Faction' in which the opponent deploys lot's of cavalry.

Look it up in the EBBS and export_descr_character_traits.txt files, for exact requirements.

So if I'm playing on normal unit size, it's impossible to get the reforms? That would be very unfortunate, I'm loving my Seleukid campaign.

[anubis88]

you should play like me on huge

Thanx for the info I'll look it up

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

And remember that the enemy needs a decent amount of cataphracts for it to work. Going up against an army of 19 spearmen and 1 cata won't get the trigger.

[Xehh II]

Stupid question here but why doesn't baktria need a reform to get kataphraktoi?
I asked this before but it wasn't really answered.

[russia almighty]

It's cause the Baktrian's already knew about catatanks cause of there proximity to Pahlava and other steppe groups .

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

They currently start with cataphracts, but may get a cataphract reform in EB2.

[anubis88]

Damnit... I've tried all tipes of battles with the Parthians, but still no reform... Can anyone literally tell me what kinda of a battle needs to be waged? must it be fought on the battlefield? any information would be great. Plus if anyone has achieved them can he tell me how he did it?
Sorry for the trouble, just really wanna get the catas

[JeffSteel]

Are cataphracts really worth it? It seems to me that Hetairoi seem to be just about as good as far as heavy calvary goes. While I too would like to get some cataphracts, I dont particularly want to engineer an huge military "disaster" by sacrificing a large army and possibly allowing the enemy to take one of my settlement.

[Seluceus]

The Seleukids don't really need cataphracts because of their wide selection of faction and local cavalry plus elephants and chariots. But if your not under severe stress from other factions then a little distraction shouldn't be too bad

[anubis88]

That doesn't change the fact that i think they are totally badass. That's what i wonna have them. And i don't like a unit that looks like the generals bodyguard in my army

[bovi]

Don't pursue the reforms. It does not make sense to willfully lose a battle so that the enemy can show its superiority. Play to win the battles, and let the loss happen if it happens.

[Digby Tatham Warter]

Don't pursue the reforms. It does not make sense to willfully lose a battle so that the enemy can show its superiority. Play to win the battles, and let the loss happen if it happens.

The problem is the Seleukids, say at Rhapia for example fielded alot of cav(quite alot of it heavy, as far as I know), and it was the cataphracts who roughed up the Roman legionaires at Magnesia(I think).

In earlier versions of EB my Seleukid cav arm would consist of 1 companion and 2 cataphracts, now to have a decent heavy cavalry arm to represent what they actually had in reality, I may field 3 companion(who were not that numerous). Although I may see what I can recruit out East to make up this sad deficiency.

The Seleukids just don't feel like the Seleukids without their cav arm IMO.