Iowa Caucuses '08

[ICantSpellDawg]

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Mon cœur est crevé d'obsession...il bat en répétant, tout au fond de moi-meme, ce mot que j'aime, ton nom...Hillary...Hillary.
[/Piaf]

Better get used to it!


A little fairy whispered in my ear that Clinton vs. Giuliani will be your choice indeed. Ah, never a night of restless sleep again 'till 2012.

Republicans will lose this election if they field Giuliani. I fear that they will lose regardless of who they put up there, though.

Huckabee will fall apart against Clinton. He's already getting so much abuse for his policies as governor. I like his personality and social policies, but I have a feeling that the Iowa vote will be a fluke in his campaign, especially when they start getting down to brass tacks. I need to learn more about his record, I considered his candidacy a joke until a month ago.

Edwards is a fake joke. I don't trust Thompson at all. He seems like a southern mafioso type. Plus, he looks like a frog

I would love to see Obama v Romney. I would be pissed to see Obama win, but he is a bright guy too -but one who I disagree almost entirely with.

[Lemur]

I would love to see Obama v Romney.

I could live with that. In fact, that campaign would make me downright mellow.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I picked Tancredo so that he could fulfill the Mayan prophecy regarding 2012.

Seriously though, none of them look too appealing. What a shame.

[seireikhaan]

I picked Tancredo so that he could fulfill the Mayan prophecy regarding 2012.

Seriously though, none of them look too appealing. What a shame.

Ah, ok. I was really, really hoping that wasn't a serious vote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'd like to see Obama vs Huckabee, because it would be the least muddy election in history. And Obama would win easily.

Giuliani is a corrupt lying scumbag. Romney is merely a lying scumbag.

Here's some hillary quotes for you louis:

On asked whether homosexuality was immoral: "that's up to the voters to decide".

When obama said she was overplaying here experience level, she replied: "This is not a time for republican scare tactics. It's also not a time for TRILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASES"

[seireikhaan]

Ehh. I voted Obama here. Mostly because he offends me the least of the candidates. Hilary I despise, Edwards is mostly a joke(as a politician) to me. Kusinich didn't exactly work miracles in Ohio, to say the least. And frankly, I'm not really that conservative. Romney, however, gets a special place in my heart. Right above Tancredo for "most hated person". And just below GWB. I like some of Paul's policies, but frankly, a lot of his followers just scare me. A lot of them that I've met are out and out bigots.

[Lemur]

Yeah, what with the latest polls showing Obama doing marginally better than Hil, her mask is slipping.

But Sunday, in a dramatic shift, she made it clear that her goal is to challenge Obama not just on policy but also on one of his strongest selling points: his reputation for honesty.

"There's a big difference between our courage and our convictions, what we believe and what we're willing to fight for," Clinton told reporters here. She said voters in Iowa will have a choice "between someone who talks the talk, and somebody who's walked the walk."

Asked directly whether she intended to raise questions about Obama's character, she replied: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."

I can't even puzzle out what she means by that, except that it sounds kinda, I don't know, fightey.

[PanzerJaeger]

Guiliani. I believe we need a strong administrator with experience running a large government over a social conservative.

I'm more interested in his track record - which appears to be a strong turn-around in NYC - than his personal love life or his opinions on abortion, which he would have little leverage over in office anyway.

[AntiochusIII]

Obama just because I'm in the cool crowd, but not cool enough to vote Ron Paul. That and to piss the racists off, on both sides of the, err, spectrum.

Did I mention I will not be able to vote this 2008? I'll have the high horse all to myself the next five years or so as whatever idiot in the White House screwed America over, again.

Imagine! An "I told you so (why did you idiots vote for that scum anyway?)" that can be justified without looking like an arse!

[AggonyDuck]

I somehow personally prefer Huckabee, even if I do not agree to all of his policies. He just seems to be a man of integrity, which is definately a rare thing among politicians and he has managed to sway me over atleast.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Here's some hillary quotes for you louis:

On asked whether homosexuality was immoral: "that's up to the voters to decide".
I agree with that. Morality is none of the governments business. Governments should be a-moral and simply ensure the right of each to live according to their own morality. (Yes, yes, I know that she is simply copping out)

When obama said she was overplaying here experience level, she replied: "This is not a time for republican scare tactics. It's also not a time for TRILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASES"
(Lemur) Asked directly whether she intended to raise questions about Obama's character, she replied: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."
That's my girl! Take 'em gloves off when needed!

I'm more interested in his track record - which appears to be a strong turn-around in NYC - than his personal love life or his opinions on abortion, which he would have little leverage over in office anyway.

I agree! If it must be a Republican, then Giuliani. He's got a good track record, is on the whole pretty moderate, and has the social, liberal outlook and walk of life of an open-mided city dweller.
And he was impressive during 9/11. That is important, regardless of what people say. A president needs confidence, composure and leadership too.

Compare Giuliani with that eternally stupid image of Bush on 9/11 in that school, children book in hand, looking around dazed and confused. One is a president, the other a bumbling fool.

I don't mean that in a partisan, anti-Bush way. This simply wouldn't have happend to Bill Clinton, and nor would it have happened to Ronald Reagan. (When Reagan was shot in '83(?), while he was dragged off, he said to a microphone: 'I bet that guy doesn't vote Republican...'. Classic. He couldn't possibly have gotten it from a speech writer)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Here's some hillary quotes for you louis:

On asked whether homosexuality was immoral: "that's up to the voters to decide".
I agree with that. Morality is none of the governments business. Governments should be a-moral and simply ensure the right of each to live according to their own morality. (Yes, yes, I know that she is simply copping out)

When obama said she was overplaying here experience level, she replied: "This is not a time for republican scare tactics. It's also not a time for TRILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASES"
(Lemur) Asked directly whether she intended to raise questions about Obama's character, she replied: "It's beginning to look a lot like that."
That's my girl! Take 'em gloves off when needed!

You'll be sorry to hear she later came out and said that homosexuality was not immoral.

The point of the second quote is that she is casting legitimate criticism as a scare tactic, and then using a scare tactic herself...

Guiliani. I believe we need a strong administrator with experience running a large government over a social conservative.

I'm more interested in his track record - which appears to be a strong turn-around in NYC - than his personal love life or his opinions on abortion, which he would have little leverage over in office anyway.

[Marshal Murat]

I like Obama for Dem.
Huckabee for Republican.

Ron Paul is a little, off?

Also, a previous poster asked about the new taxes and all.
Fair Tax

Essentially most taxes are dropped in favor of a % increase in the sales tax (7 percent from what I read). This should balance out the price, and remove the IRS.

I like Huckabee, he isn't as slimy as Romney or Giuliani. Not as hard-core as McCain. Not as unknown as Tancredo or Hunter, and not as crazy as Ron Paul.

[Louis VI the Fat]

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Why Ron Paul? When I first heard about him I thought he was a complete joke. Literally. I thought he was this election's prankster, one of those mock politicians who get some protest votes and are in it for the riot and fifteen minutes of fame.

When Paul was a young man, back in 1823, constitutional minimalism, no income tax, isolationism and a metal money standard were probably the next big things, but isn't it 2007 now?

You'll be sorry to hear she later came out and said that homosexuality was not immoral.

The point of the second quote is that she is casting legitimate criticism as a scare tactic, and then using a scare tactic herself...

I shall blissfully ignore those Hillary quotes that went over my head and move directly on to Giuliani...

That is a shocking graph. Giuliani is presented here as the zero-tolerance hero. A policy that got impressive results in NY. It is often quoted as a great example. I must read up about it a bit more.

[Kralizec]

Your point being...? The general crime decrease in NY is clearly stronger than nationwide. LA is just one other city that's been more successful than average in reducing crime. Newark rather gives the impression that it didn't even have a police station until 1996, and besides with 275,000 people it's a village compared to NY or LA.