Votes Defeat Chavez

[CountArach]

As much as I love Chavez, I am glad the people of Venezuela made the right decision.

How many countries with voting and without term limits are dictatorships?

The region has a history of political instability and anything that can be done to avoid this, such as Term Limits, are for the best.

[HoreTore]

The region has a history of political instability and anything that can be done to avoid this, such as Term Limits, are for the best.

No democratic south american leader will ever avoid a coup long enough for it to matter anyway

[Marshal Murat]

Don't let Chavez hear you, or you might be branded a 'Puppet of President Bush'

[JAG]

The region has a history of political instability and anything that can be done to avoid this, such as Term Limits, are for the best.

HA! And why do you think that is?!

Deary me, people can't open their eyes. For more years than any of us have been alive - and then some - the US has caused this 'political instability' and have meddled, constantly, in South American affairs. It is good to see South America starting to stand up for itself, when Chavez helps the poor in the US through his intitiatives - and elsewhere for that matter - maybe even some Americans will start to realise that their government fed bullsh.. aint what it cracked up to be, and likewise their system for that matter.

[Odin]

HA! And why do you think that is?!

Deary me, people can't open their eyes. For more years than any of us have been alive - and then some - the US has caused this 'political instability' and have meddled, constantly, in South American affairs. It is good to see South America starting to stand up for itself, when Chavez helps the poor in the US through his intitiatives - and elsewhere for that matter - maybe even some Americans will start to realise that their government fed bullsh.. aint what it cracked up to be, and likewise their system for that matter.

Yes we are aware it isnt what its cracked up to be, thankfully we have lots of people around the world who make claims that the U.S. is the cause of instability, strife and general havoc.

Your a god sent to isolationist like me, please keep up the good work.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Summon the devil to protect us from the evil U.S.


JAG, Odin - I think that you'll get your way soon enough. Then, Venezuela will become a mainland Cuba and Chavez can begin his subversion of neighboring governments in order to establish a growing South American counterbalance to the U.S.

Congratulations.

[Odin]

Summon the devil to protect us from the evil U.S.


JAG, Odin - I think that you'll get your way soon enough. Then, Venezuela will become a mainland Cuba and Chavez can begin his subversion of neighboring governments in order to establish a growing South American counterbalance to the U.S.

Congratulations.

What is it with you this week? After all we have been through cant I get a thumbs up smiley or some other sarcastic icon?

"counterbalance" to what exactly? Our international influence? We were never meant to have this much prowess in world affairs Tuff. Since the spanish american war we have made a mockery of the founding fathers principles of international relations.

We need to pull back and invest in the republic, South america, cuba chavez they can take care of themselves now dont you think?

[rvg]

What is it with you this week? After all we have been through cant I get a thumbs up smiley or some other sarcastic icon?

"counterbalance" to what exactly? Our international influence? We were never meant to have this much prowess in world affairs Tuff. Since the spanish american war we have made a mockery of the founding fathers principles of international relations.

We need to pull back and invest in the republic, South america, cuba chavez they can take care of themselves now dont you think?

The New World belongs to us. It is as simple as that. Thus, if some wacko comes to power in Caracaz, that is *our* business because that is *our* backyard. Watching Chavez try to become a king of Venezuela is painful enough, but doing nothing to contain him just because he's to the South of Rio Grande will come back and bite us. This is our shpere of interests and our sphere of influence, from Barrow to Cape Horn.

[Odin]

The New World belongs to us. It is as simple as that. Thus, if some wacko comes to power in Caracaz, that is *our* business because that is *our* backyard. Watching Chavez try to become a king of Venezuela is painful enough, but doing nothing to contain him just because he's to the South of Rio Grande will come back and bite us. This is our shpere of interests and our sphere of influence, from Barrow to Cape Horn.

Someone else please take this one. I prefer Tribes myself but any EU citizen will do.

[Mouzafphaerre]

The New World belongs to us. It is as simple as that. Thus, if some wacko comes to power in Caracaz, that is *our* business because that is *our* backyard. Watching Chavez try to become a king of Venezuela is painful enough, but doing nothing to contain him just because he's to the South of Rio Grande will come back and bite us. This is our shpere of interests and our sphere of influence, from Barrow to Cape Horn.

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Go nuke him! I heard he has WMD.
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[Tribesman]

Someone else please take this one. I prefer Tribes myself but any EU citizen will do.

Given the content of the rant it isn't worth much effort , quoting one of dem thar south of the Rio Grandeeeee subjects of the USA world dominion club would be sufficient......

I cannot believe people really believe that crap..

[Ironside]

The New World belongs to us. It is as simple as that. Thus, if some wacko comes to power in Caracaz, that is *our* business because that is *our* backyard. Watching Chavez try to become a king of Venezuela is painful enough, but doing nothing to contain him just because he's to the South of Rio Grande will come back and bite us. This is our shpere of interests and our sphere of influence, from Barrow to Cape Horn.

Someone else please take this one. I prefer Tribes myself but any EU citizen will do.

The man speaks the truth.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The man being Chavez spouting about imperialist US that is .

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Disclaimer: Only if rvg's attitude being prevalent of course

[ICantSpellDawg]

I made no judgment claims about our international power and influence. I just realize that it exists. I also realize that Chavez lives to oppose us in every way.

I honestly believe that Chavez with push his weight through the system and transform the nation into a socialist one, similar to Cuba. I also believe that Chavez is interested in moving his power beyond the border of Venezuela.

Chavez is a small man who operates foreign policy with personal vendetta's. A simple slight is blown wildly out of proportion.

Recent Examples: President Uribe of Columbia makes a decision that is his to make after Chavez breaks an agreement. What happens? Chavez removes diplomats and severs ties with Columbia.

Pime Minister Zapaterro and King Juan Carlos of Spain attend a summit and Chavez gets insulted by the King after going on a diatribe against Aznar. In spite of the fact that Spain under Zapaterro has been closely tied to Venezuela's arms accumulation, what happens? Chavez severs ties and withdraws diplomats.

He severs ties and recalls diplomats on a regular basis for personal rather than national reasons. He is an egomaniac.

I love that people defend him and prove that they are ok with authoritarian powers, as long as they agree with them. That's a new concept...

[Odin]

I honestly believe that Chavez with push his weight through the system and transform the nation into a socialist one, similar to Cuba. I also believe that Chavez is interested in moving his power beyond the border of Venezuela.

Are you that insecure with our current system that this has you worried, or is it the example we set presently for him? Seems to me he's right in line with the neocons/republican party substitute "socialist" with "federal capitalist".

Chav

ez is a small man who operates foreign policy with personal vendetta's. A simple slight is blown wildly out of proportion.

And whats he done? Bent your ear on a 20 second sound bite on the evening news?

Recent Examples: President Uribe of Columbia makes a decision that is his to make after Chavez breaks an agreement. What happens? Chavez removes diplomats and severs ties with Columbia. Pime Minister Zapaterro and King Juan Carlos of Spain attend a summit and Chavez gets insulted by the King after going on a diatribe against Aznar. In spite of the fact that Spain under Zapaterro has been closely tied to Venezuela's arms accumulation, what happens? Chavez severs ties and withdraws diplomats.

Sounds like an issue between Columbia and Venezula both of which have democraticlly elected governments, shouldnt they be allowed to conduct thier diplomacy via the peoples will?

And a monarch spouting off at an international forum carries little weight with me. For that matter it should carry little weight with you if you are a true proponent of the U.S. federal system (designed partly to not have to listen to monarchs)

I love that people defend him and prove that they are ok with authoritarian powers, as long as they agree with them. That's a new concept...

Time to step back here Tuff in regards to me. I dont defend nor condem chavez, I support and will argue at nuseum the principles of the founding fathers desire not to be involved in international political affiars.

There is a political system in Venezula (not to different from our own) there able to sort out thier own issues without our guiding hand.

[Tribesman]

I stand by my comments.

Good

A land claim is not "racist". It may be insensitive, but it had nothing to do with racism.

Correct Tuff , though the comment did convey a sort of Waspish attitude it doesn't really comedown to racism as such since the US by its nature and heritage doesn't relly have one race , its a collection of many different races .
So a comment like......

The New World belongs to us. It is as simple as that.

...is more of a national supremacist one .

[PanzerJaeger]

"counterbalance" to what exactly? Our international influence? We were never meant to have this much prowess in world affairs Tuff. Since the spanish american war we have made a mockery of the founding fathers principles of international relations.

We need to pull back and invest in the republic, South america, cuba chavez they can take care of themselves now dont you think?

As globalization moves forward at an ever increasing pace that sounds like.... well, it sounds like something.

[Ice]

Yes we are aware it isnt what its cracked up to be, thankfully we have lots of people around the world who make claims that the U.S. is the cause of instability, strife and general havoc.

Your a god sent to isolationist like me, please keep up the good work.

I'm with you Odin.

I wish we didn't have such an international influence. Being out of the spot light would be nice once and a while.

What I honestly think we should do, is just stop intervening everywhere. So then when people moan and complain about why the US isn't doing anything, we can just give them the big middle finger.

It would also prevent a number of atrocities this country is so infamous for, even though people seem to forget the good also.

Maybe then everyone would stop complaining about how "this and that" is the fault of the US, not our half ass leadership.

[Odin]

What I honestly think we should do, is just stop intervening everywhere. So then when people moan and complain about why the US isn't doing anything, we can just give them the big middle finger.

Yes. In the case of Chavez and the democracy in Venezula I dont care how they run it as long as they continue to provide oil to the world markets, live and let live.

It would also prevent a number of atrocities this country is so infamous for, even though people seem to forget the good also.

It would also prevent money pits like the war on drugs. How many regimes did we prop up down there with that ideology?

Maybe then everyone would stop complaining about how "this and that" is the fault of the US, not our half ass leadership.

the complaints dont bother me much anymore, I didnt remember hearing a lot of slaps on the back after the tsunami, or the quakes in Pakistan but hey hypocrisy is a natural human condition. Self recognition of that trait is saintly.

I prefer a complete monetary withdraw from the international system for awhile, at least until we can update our own republic (air traffic control, modernization of transport systems, a new power grid).

Maybe chavez and his oil money can lead the way internationally? Odd no one has chimmed in on that isnt it? Of course here in MA we have oil shippments reduced 40% for the poor from venezula, what a nice guy huh?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Yes. In the case of Chavez and the democracy in Venezula I dont care how they run it as long as they continue to provide oil to the world markets, live and let live.




It would also prevent money pits like the war on drugs. How many regimes did we prop up down there with that ideology?



the complaints dont bother me much anymore, I didnt remember hearing a lot of slaps on the back after the tsunami, or the quakes in Pakistan but hey hypocrisy is a natural human condition. Self recognition of that trait is saintly.

I prefer a complete monetary withdraw from the international system for awhile, at least until we can update our own republic (air traffic control, modernization of transport systems, a new power grid).

Maybe chavez and his oil money can lead the way internationally? Odd no one has chimmed in on that isnt it? Of course here in MA we have oil shippments reduced 40% for the poor from venezula, what a nice guy huh?

Our international forays are the main reason that we are so advanced and safe. I would love to go back to a simpler time, but I feel that the second we withdraw from the world stage, we will be in a downward spiral - defensively and in every other way.

I do love the idea though. You should vote for Ron Paul.

[Odin]

Our international forays are the main reason that we are so advanced and safe.

Perhaps in another thread someday we can tangle on this one Tuff but I literally almost crapped myself when I read this.

[Ice]

Our international forays are the main reason that we are so advanced and safe.

Ha...ha...HA

I would love to go back to a simpler time, but I feel that the second we withdraw from the world stage, we will be in a downward spiral - defensively and in every other way.

That is our problem how again? I'm so sick of this crap. Let someone else sort it out for once.

All I want to do is live a peaceful life, raise a family, make a good income, and die happy.

I do love the idea though. You should vote for Ron Paul.