How to become CONSUL? Marian Reforms needed!

**Thaatu** · 12-03-2007, 12:53

My advice is to wait. Remember that historically Rome "hit the Marian reforms" in (c'mon people, give me the real year. I don't want to look stupid).

**Foot** · 12-03-2007, 12:59

I agree with Thaatu. I don't think how you are playing should be termed historically, rather it is more like "playing as if it was history". If you have a valid reason for entering into a war with gaul or Pontos then you shouldn't wait for an arbitrary reform date to do so. Just load up your armies with Polybian Principes, as the later polybian armies were prone to do as I understand, and take the fight to them. Role-playing is far more fun than following history, imo.

Foot

**marodeur** · 12-03-2007, 15:43

Originally Posted by Foot

I agree with Thaatu. I don't think how you are playing should be termed historically, rather it is more like "playing as if it was history". If you have a valid reason for entering into a war with gaul or Pontos then you shouldn't wait for an arbitrary reform date to do so. Just load up your armies with Polybian Principes, as the later polybian armies were prone to do as I understand, and take the fight to them. Role-playing is far more fun than following history, imo.

Foot

I certainly agree with you, but sticking to the historical boundaries of "polybian-troop-rome" has until now helped me to restrain myself from conquering half the known world and killing of enemy factions. I have never before advanced this slowly, but I can guarantee you, that the game is a lot more interesting if you give the AI the time to really build their towns and empires. As soon as I have marian legions, I will not stop for a history lesson again...

Death to the weak, mash, mash!!! (quoted from dork tower magazine).
I would think it would be great, if one could start at different times (for example, about 220 b.c. (Hannibal), 115 b.c. Jugurtha of Numidia, and Mithridates of Pontos, 60 b.c. (Caesar / Gaul). That would also give you some quite interesting options with other nations - ever thought about Caesar laying down his sword in front of Vercingetorix at the gates of rome?

) Probably this would be possible by using the "provincial campaign" option?
But most likely I will follow your advice concerning the Principes, if everything else fails. Thanks a lot.

**Thaatu** · 12-03-2007, 21:15

Originally Posted by marodeur

I certainly agree with you, but sticking to the historical boundaries of "polybian-troop-rome" has until now helped me to restrain myself from conquering half the known world and killing of enemy factions. I have never before advanced this slowly, but I can guarantee you, that the game is a lot more interesting if you give the AI the time to really build their towns and empires.

Echo. My Aedui campaign is now in 182 BCE and I control ten provinces in Gaul, with the rest (four provinces) owned by Arverni. Rome was sadly wiped out by Epirus, due to my sacking trips.

**Pharnakes** · 12-03-2007, 21:17

How did you pass the time?

**Thaatu** · 12-03-2007, 21:38

I killed many people.

**marodeur** · 12-04-2007, 09:24

Originally Posted by Thaatu

I killed many people.

lots and lots and lots - gauls, sweboz, greeks and seleukids were very polite and did their best to prevent boredom...

**Sakkura** · 12-03-2007, 13:07

Originally Posted by Thaatu

My advice is to wait. Remember that historically Rome "hit the Marian reforms" in (c'mon people, give me the real year. I don't want to look stupid).

107ish, though it wasn't done overnight.

**Chris1959** · 12-03-2007, 14:14

I think you have a good chance for your character to become Consul in next 5-10 years.

And I can't wait to finally get a Romanii campaign to that point.