why cant u give it away (BI RTW stupid A.I)

[sjmxru]

why cant u give it away! i dont seem to be able to give regions away to AI factions, i usually get the response we cannot match your offer...huh! i'm givin it away! is there a rectification to this?

also my allies wont join in the fight claimin they wont see my troops on the battlefield when they are right there waitin to go

i have BI installed, no mods

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi sjmxru,

why cant u give it away! i dont seem to be able to give regions away to AI factions, i usually get the response we cannot match your offer...huh! i'm givin it away! is there a rectification to this?

Sorry, but no - the AI is harcoded. In other words, it cannot be changed through basic modding. Its shame, since the AI often isn't very wise - especially when it comes to diplomacy.

There is a way of cheating your way around it though. Just before you submit your offer/demand press the ` key, directly below the "Esc" key, on your keyboard to open up the console.

In the area provided type:
"force_diplomacy accept"

Then press enter, and close the console using the ` key again.

This will force the AI to accept the deal placed before them. It is a very useful cheat when used in moderation, and under sensible circumstances (i.e. when a "real" player would probably accept your deal).

Other useful cheats related to diplomacy are:
"force_diplomacy decline" - forces the AI to turn down your diplomatic offer
"force_diplomacy off" - cancels out any previously entered "force_diplomacy" commands.

also my allies wont join in the fight claimin they wont see my troops on the battlefield when they are right there waitin to go

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

[caravel]

The diplomacy in RTW is notoriously flakey. In my current campaign as Egypt, which is one of my favourite, if rather ahistorical, factions in the game. I have had multiple ceasefire offers from the Seluecids and Pontus, whom have been attacking me year after year. Every time they offer a ceasefire I counter the offer with a demand that they give Sardis (Pontus) or Damascus (Seleucid). This works every time and they accept even though the proposal would "shame a helot". Then either the same turn or the following one they besiege the city they've just handed over to me. Damscus I've held on to for years and have now developed. Sardis in it's isolated position I simply couldn't reinforce but have defended it a few times successfully after stealing it from under their noses no less than three times through the ceasefire diplomacy trick.

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

I think maybe he's referring to the "ask faction x to attack faction y" type diplomacy and of faction x refusing?

[sjmxru]

thanks Al, i'll try that cheat when it seems, as u say, a player would accept

caravel your on the money, its attack if i do but they wont even when they are rivals

i get offers of ceasefire & become protectorate & like u say next turn bang, even when u get them to cough up a city or cash, nutters!

[caravel]

My favourite one is: "Ceasefire - accept or we will attack". So stop the war or you will attack me eh? Then if you offer the counter proposal the default is "please do not attack - accept or we will attack". It seems to me that a faction begging for a ceasefire is in no position to really threaten an attack if you don't accept it?!

[sjmxru]

i find that once u have been refused once then they dont want to know u, so i take it bit at a time, trade rights..... alliance......map info for..... give region f(rom me as gift)

on the flip side of stupid AI, u gotta love the greeks, doesn't seem to matter how many times u batter them in RTW they will always cough up for a ceasfire (i've funded campaigns on them)

& is it me of do the egyptians not form alliances with anyone?

[Spartan198]

There is a way of cheating your way around it though. Just before you submit your offer/demand press the ` key, directly below the "Esc" key, on your keyboard to open up the console.

In the area provided type:
"force_diplomacy accept"

Then press enter, and close the console using the ` key again.

This will force the AI to accept the deal placed before them. It is a very useful cheat when used in moderation, and under sensible circumstances (i.e. when a "real" player would probably accept your deal).

Other useful cheats related to diplomacy are:
"force_diplomacy decline" - forces the AI to turn down your diplomatic offer
"force_diplomacy off" - cancels out any previously entered "force_diplomacy" commands.

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

That force_diplomacy cheat doesn't seem to work.

[Quirinus]

Yea, I thought it was just me. It didn't work for v1.3, now it doesn't work on v1.5 (albiet with VBM). I wanted to try and simulate some actual, logical diplomacy (i.e. I offer terms which are logical and very reasonable to human players, but know that the computer won't accept).

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

That force_diplomacy cheat doesn't seem to work.

It turns out that it's one of the mystical cheats that was documented by the CA, but never actually worked correctly. It's a shame really - the diplomatic AI often could do with a little "assistance" in making its choices.

[Quirinus]

"You'll hand over lousy, poor Noricum for 10000 denarii."

"Ha! Preposterous! Bandying vords with you iz a pointless vaste of time."

*waves hand*

"You want to hand Noricum over to the Senate and the People of Rome."

"I vant to hand Noricum over to the Senate and ze People of Rome."

"You want to attack the filthy Dacians next."

"I vant to attack ze filthy Dacians next."

:3

[Brave]

Lots of money sweetens the deal.