MiniMe Temporary Pre-1.1 EDB alteration

[MiniMe]

Dear EB fans!
As some of you've already mentioned, current 1.0 recruitment is not complete.
Some units that did made it to custombattles/multiplayer are not recruitable in campaign.

To solve this matter I've made temporary alterations to 1.0. EDB. These alterations are savecompatible and you can continue your current campaign with them applyed.

If somebody would like to use this file for his own minimod, he (or she) is welcome to do it. And if you'll notify me on this (which is completely not required or expected) I'll will continue to provide you with my latest version for your further modifications afterwards.

Filefront link zip pack export_descr_buildings.txt http://files.filefront.com/export+de.../fileinfo.html

Attention: TW Fanatic minimod includes this EDB as base and if you have his minimod installed you don't need to download this file. We agreed to cooperate and I'm going to continue to provide him with my latest version for his further modifications.

If you know of any other recruitment issues that did not made it to 1.0. please post them in this tread and I will make additional alterations.
Please, note - this is not a modification, I'm not going to change AOR, only thing I'm going to do is give factions possibility to recruit their units in campaign in the recruitment areas they are expected to be and are recruited by other factions (poeni infantry units in sydon for carthies would be the only exeption)
Best regards
MiniMe

sunday

Carthage, AS
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean cavalry - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Baktria
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Ptolemaioi
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Saba
ethiopian swordsmen - own MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

08.12.07

Pahlavans
The Pahlava own MIC level 5 had impossible requirements to build. JMRC's fix conditions applyed

Pontus
klerouchikoi phalangitai- regional MIC level 3-5 (instead of 4-5)

Ptolemaioi, Saba
african infantry ethiopiai agemata due to thier late appearence is now recruitable only after vanilla marian reforms (thanx Cirdandharix for idea)

07.12.07

Epeiros, Makedon, Rome
syracuse hoplitai - regional MIC level 3-5 (AOR: Syracuse)

Carthage
poeni militia - own MIC level 1-5 (Sydon added to AOR)
sacred band infantry - own MIC level 5 (Sydon added to AOR)

Ptolemaioi
african infantry ethiopiai agemata - own MIC level 4-5 (AOR: Memphis and Alexandria)

Saba
african infantry ethiopiai agemata - regional MIC level 4-5 in (AOR: Memphis and Alexandria)
(sidenote: these are back due to Wolfman request, enjoy them while you can, they not gonna make it in 1.1. And, since they are Agema, therefore - personal ptolemaioi guard, I've made them recruitable in the greatest ptolemaioi cities only, not southern jungle)

KH
shortpike phalanx Iphikratous Hoplitai AOR is slightly increased and now matches AOR of shortpike phalanx Thorakitai Hoplitai


05.12.07

Epeiros
greek infantry thorakitai - own MIC level 4-5 (KH AOR as base)
greek infantry pheraspidai - own MIC level 5 (Makedon AOR as base)
greek infantry hypaspistai - own MIC level 5 (Makedon AOR as base)

Ptolemaioi
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean cavalry - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
red sea hoplites - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base) (though they are greeks, nevertheless they are citizens-hoplites that's why - regional)

[bovi]

Are you sure you want this to be in the tech help forum? It seems to me to fit better in the unofficial mods section. Not to chase you away though.

[MiniMe]

I think you're right.
Can I ask you to move this tread to the unofficial mods subforum then?

[Lgk]

Please have mercy! 12mb non-zipped txt file!!

[MiniMe]

sorry, mate =)
first post updated: + zip package link

[Lgk]

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The requested URL /dl was not found on this server.

:(

Besides txt link works fine... but not zip...

[Maksimus]

Lgk...

oh... I had my laugh

I remmember when I had dial-up... my god, it makes me wanna

[Sarkiss]

Sarkiss, I have to ask you: do you actually understand, how many armenians live in Tbiliso?
Ok, jokes aside. We could solve this problem
either 1. removing Kartli from Armenian spearmen AOR at all;
or 2. downgrading Mtskheta MIC;
or 3. upgrading Armavir.
Making the choice is up to you

yeah, there is a big Community in Vrastan:)
i think it is the best to upgrade Armavir.
thanks

[konny]

There are several regions where KH can recruit the (elite) Thorakitai Phalanx but not it's basic version (Iphikratians). The other way round would be understandable, but because the Thorakitai are not a reform unit, I don't see a reason why they are more common than the respective citizens' phalanx.

[MiniMe]

i think it is the best to upgrade Armavir.

I've just understood that to change that I have to mess with another file, not EDB. Since I'd like my work to be useful to all those who edit defferent files (Konny as one of them for example) I'm not going to add descr_strat to my pack.
sorry mate

There are several regions where KH can recruit the (elite) Thorakitai Phalanx but not it's basic version (Iphikratians). The other way round would be understandable, but because the Thorakitai are not a reform unit, I don't see a reason why they are more common than the respective citizens' phalanx.

Yep.
Would you like me to
1. increase Iphikratians AOR
or
2. decrease Thorakitai Phalanx AOR?

[konny]

Would you like me to
1. increase Iphikratians AOR
or
2. decrease Thorakitai Phalanx AOR?

Increase Iphikratians please.

[MiniMe]

no problem

[Sarkiss]

I've just understood that to change that I have to mess with another file, not EDB. Since I'd like my work to be useful to all those who edit defferent files (Konny as one of them for example) I'm not going to add descr_strat to my pack.
sorry mate

oh, i see.
hopefully it will be addressed in 1.1 which is again, hopefully, not far away.

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Perhaps you could also solve the Seleucid Elephantes Indiokoi AOR problem.
The Armored version is accesible through AS's Factional MIC in all sensible regions: Syria,Baktria and India. But the unarmored version is only available through teh factional MIC of Syria, but in all other regions they can only be recruited via regional baracks
Edit: And btw, Pontos can recruit kleruchoi phalangitai, they need a level 4 regional barrack in the provinces that are marked in the recruitment viewer.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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FileFront returns error. Will you upload to zshare.net please?
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[MiniMe]

No problem
http://www.zshare.net/download/55620458ad9a48/
However, filefront link is fine.

Best regards
MiniMe

[Mouzafphaerre]

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I suspect it's a network/pipeline problem on this side of the globe.

Thanks!
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[konny]

On Pontos again.

I think to better display a faction that payed large effords in keeping a good balance between "Greeks" and "Persians", and taking into account that their heartlands are in central Asia Minor, I would propose the following changes to their recruitement pool:

Units that are now factional but should be regional:

Asabaran-i Hauravatish (Arachosian Skirmisher Cav)
Gund-i Nizagan (Parthian Spearmen)
Kardaka Arteshtar (Persian Hoplites)
Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen)
Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Archer-Spearmen)
Shivatir-i Pahlavanig (Parthian HA)
Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)

Some of them are only recruitable on the other side of the AS Empire and certainly don't have any meaning for a Kappadokian faction.

Units that are now regional but should be factional:

Hoplitai Haploi
Akontistai
Toxotai
Sphendonetai
Peltastai
Hoplitai
Lonchophoroi Hippeis
Klerouchoi Phalangitai

The Greek line up. The Klerouchoi are certainly not the best sollution I can think of, but Pontos should at least have partial access to a medium Phalanx by factional MICs.

Katpatuka Zanteush (Kappadokian Hillmen)

There is no reason why the (Kappadokian) Pontics can recruite Kappadokian cavalry but not the local infantry.

Asiatikoi Hippakontistai
Asiatikoi Hippeis

Debatable. They are not pure Anatolian units, but I think these together with the Pantodapoi Phalangitai are the perfect symbiosis between Greek and Asian military - typical Pontic, if you like.

Anatolikoi Phyletai

When we have an "Anatolian" faction than it is Pontos. On the other hand, changing the EDB entries for these guys is not worth the efford because they are about the same as the Katpatuka Zanteush - only weaker.


Comments, if you please?

[Basileus Seleukeia]

If you decide to change Persian hoplites and Kinsmen into regionals you'd have to build a Philhellenic satrapy there, which honestley doesn't make much sense. A Persian Satrapy, as you need it now to get them, would be much more suitable. You also have to regard that the Kings of Pontos were strongly hellenised, but still saw themselves as Persians open to hellenic culture. So they would also have liked to appease their Persian/Native subjects, perhaps with a slight intention of hellenising them. If you keep this in mind, then you'll see that the Pontics would have tried to support at least the Kinsmen, to please their old, traditionalistic Persian subjects. If that should also be the case for the Persian hoplites is debatable.
Edit: And regarding the Kleruchoi Phalangitai: If not even the Makedones and Eperioteans can recruit them in their factional MIC, why should Pontos? I think it is enough to make them available at a level 3 local MIC.

[MiniMe]

The Greek line up.

So, greeks and natives of Asia Minor - own,
Parhians and the rest of easterlings - native.
...
Agree with you on all but one - classic hoplites.
To my understanding chaps like Thureophoroi and Kleruchoi Phalangitai are state soldiers, while classic hoplites are good old-fashioned self-organised local militia, and you can't recruit both kinds from same barracks. At least that's how it goes with all eastern greeks, and we here finally begin to understand that is is precisely eastern greeks that have most common with Pontos.