MiniMe Temporary Pre-1.1 EDB alteration

**MiniMe** · 12-06-2007, 00:36

zip link is fine, please, try again

**Lgk** · 12-06-2007, 00:41

methinks it was server error...
now it worked, thanks!

**Sarkiss** · 12-06-2007, 07:29

great, thanks MM.
will download it tonight

**MiniMe** · 12-06-2007, 13:05

Sarkiss, my guess is you're playing Hayasdan or Pahlavan campaign and you are familiar with their unit roster and recruitment areas ;-)
Any gaps similar to Epeiros Pheraspidai or Ptolemaioi Ethiopeans?

**Kepper** · 12-06-2007, 13:18

If you play Baktria you can get Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
form your region Mic and form faction Mic but just in some region, don´t now if is bug.

**Hax** · 12-06-2007, 13:31

Question: If I already have a level 5 MIC, do I have to tear it down and rebuild it to access Pheraspidai and Hypaspistai?

**MiniMe** · 12-06-2007, 19:52

Wow, thanx to everybody for raising these questions
I'm going to answer them all a bit later today (dinner time)

all but one most urgent

Originally Posted by Elphir

Question: If I already have a level 5 MIC, do I have to tear it down and rebuild it to access Pheraspidai and Hypaspistai?

No

Originally Posted by Kepper

If you play Baktria you can get Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
form your region Mic and form faction Mic but just in some region, don´t now if is bug.

Klerouchikoi Phalangitai AOR of different factions is one the biggest 1.0 mysteries. Greys and Yellows can recruit them as far as in western Spain an northern France. Blue can recruit them in their own MICs and regional MICs in their own provinces and Middle East respectively. And glorious kingdom of Pontus is not able to recruit them at all, though according to EDU they own them also.
Other mystery is the relation between AOR of Pezhetairoi and KH phalangitai. for some reasons Epeiros is not able to recruit middleclass longpikemen citizens in Taras, and in the same time KH can do that. Why?.. I don't know.
I will pay serious attention to this matter but only after 1.1. is out and make one AOR for Klerouchikoi Phalangitai for all factions and limit it to eastern hemishere (egypt and aravia included) only. For Greek/makedon middleclass citizen phalanx combined AOR there will be. And many more thoughts about the rest of the phalanx I have but all of them for 1.1 I keep =)

Originally Posted by Sarkiss

yep, there is a strange hole in recruitment at the start of the Armenian campaign when you cannot get Armenian spearmen in Armavir from the beginning, but can in Mtskheta (sp.) straight after capturing it without having to build any barracks, from the ones that already there.
that is all i remember atm. eagerly waiting for 1.1 to start Hai campaign anew

thanks
just to explain more clearly. it makes no sense: Armavir - Armenia Proper, Mtskheta - Khartli. if anything, it should be vice versa - Armenian spearmen available in Armavir from the start and in Kartli after baracks upgrade.

Sarkiss, I have to ask you: do you actually understand, how many armenians live in Tbiliso?

Ok, jokes aside. We could solve this problem
either 1. removing Kartli from Armenian spearmen AOR at all;
or 2. downgrading Mtskheta MIC;
or 3. upgrading Armavir.
Making the choice is up to you.

Originally Posted by Meothar

According to the recruitment viewer, Carthage can't recruit anything except for catapults and mercenary generals in their Homeland province of Phoinike. Except for Syria, the whole eastern mediterrean coast and everything down to modern Jemen has almost no units to recruit. That doesn't seem right for a faction with lvl1 and lvl2 government there.

Meothar, I completely agree with you on this matter. However, the problem is: Carthies don't own any of current Phoinike inhabitants that consist of Pantodapoi, Ioudai Taxeis and Klerouchoi Phalangitai. Well, the only way out of this is to give Carthies possibility to recruit in Phoinike their units of poeni blood - Poeni Citizen militia and... Sacred Band Infantry (why not, after all this was their motherland). Adding also Poeni Citizen and Sacred Band Cavalry will be too much, I'm afraid, cause Phoinike is not a "cavalry" province IMO.

Originally Posted by Basileus Seleukeia

As far as I have seen in custom battles, all Ethiopean and Arabian units should also be accesible by the Seleucids/Pontus/Armenia/well, everybody.

Yep, looks like we accidentally discovered not a Minor Ptolemaioi recruitment gap but a Major Everybody Arabian/Ethiopean recruitmant gap. I'll deal with it

The Red-Sea hoplites could also be available to the Seleucids, they are greeks after all. But I can't remember if the AS have them in their custom battles roster...

No they are not, according to EDU AS don't own them.

**Sarkiss** · 12-06-2007, 17:45

Originally Posted by MiniMe

Sarkiss, my guess is you're playing Hayasdan or Pahlavan campaign and you are familiar with their unit roster and recruitment areas ;-)
Any gaps similar to Epeiros Pheraspidai or Ptolemaioi Ethiopeans?

yep, there is a strange hole in recruitment at the start of the Armenian campaign when you cannot get Armenian spearmen in Armavir from the beginning, but can in Mtskheta (sp.) straight after capturing it without having to build any barracks, from the ones that already there.
that is all i remember atm. eagerly waiting for 1.1 to start Hai campaign anew

thanks

EDIT:
just to explain more clearly. it makes no sense: Armavir - Armenia Proper, Mtskheta - Khartli. if anything, it should be vice versa - Armenian spearmen available in Armavir from the start and in Kartli after baracks upgrade.

**Meothar** · 12-06-2007, 18:17

According to the recruitment viewer, Carthage can't recruit anything except for catapults and mercenary generals in their Homeland province of Phoinike. Except for Syria, the whole eastern mediterrean coast and everything down to modern Jemen has almost no units to recruit. That doesn't seem right for a faction with lvl1 and lvl2 government there.

**Basileus Seleukeia** · 12-06-2007, 19:33

As far as I have seen in custom battles, all Ethiopean and Arabian units should also be accesible by the Seleucids/Pontus/Armenia/well, everybody.
The Red-Sea hoplites could also be available to the Seleucids, they are greeks after all. But I can't remember if the AS have them in their custom battles roster...