MiniMe Temporary Pre-1.1 EDB alteration

[MiniMe]

Dear EB fans!
As some of you've already mentioned, current 1.0 recruitment is not complete.
Some units that did made it to custombattles/multiplayer are not recruitable in campaign.

To solve this matter I've made temporary alterations to 1.0. EDB. These alterations are savecompatible and you can continue your current campaign with them applyed.

If somebody would like to use this file for his own minimod, he (or she) is welcome to do it. And if you'll notify me on this (which is completely not required or expected) I'll will continue to provide you with my latest version for your further modifications afterwards.

Filefront link zip pack export_descr_buildings.txt http://files.filefront.com/export+de.../fileinfo.html

Attention: TW Fanatic minimod includes this EDB as base and if you have his minimod installed you don't need to download this file. We agreed to cooperate and I'm going to continue to provide him with my latest version for his further modifications.

If you know of any other recruitment issues that did not made it to 1.0. please post them in this tread and I will make additional alterations.
Please, note - this is not a modification, I'm not going to change AOR, only thing I'm going to do is give factions possibility to recruit their units in campaign in the recruitment areas they are expected to be and are recruited by other factions (poeni infantry units in sydon for carthies would be the only exeption)
Best regards
MiniMe

sunday

Carthage, AS
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean cavalry - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Baktria
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Ptolemaioi
ethiopian swordsmen - regional MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

Saba
ethiopian swordsmen - own MIC level 4-5 (same AOR as the rest of ethiopeans)

08.12.07

Pahlavans
The Pahlava own MIC level 5 had impossible requirements to build. JMRC's fix conditions applyed

Pontus
klerouchikoi phalangitai- regional MIC level 3-5 (instead of 4-5)

Ptolemaioi, Saba
african infantry ethiopiai agemata due to thier late appearence is now recruitable only after vanilla marian reforms (thanx Cirdandharix for idea)

07.12.07

Epeiros, Makedon, Rome
syracuse hoplitai - regional MIC level 3-5 (AOR: Syracuse)

Carthage
poeni militia - own MIC level 1-5 (Sydon added to AOR)
sacred band infantry - own MIC level 5 (Sydon added to AOR)

Ptolemaioi
african infantry ethiopiai agemata - own MIC level 4-5 (AOR: Memphis and Alexandria)

Saba
african infantry ethiopiai agemata - regional MIC level 4-5 in (AOR: Memphis and Alexandria)
(sidenote: these are back due to Wolfman request, enjoy them while you can, they not gonna make it in 1.1. And, since they are Agema, therefore - personal ptolemaioi guard, I've made them recruitable in the greatest ptolemaioi cities only, not southern jungle)

KH
shortpike phalanx Iphikratous Hoplitai AOR is slightly increased and now matches AOR of shortpike phalanx Thorakitai Hoplitai


05.12.07

Epeiros
greek infantry thorakitai - own MIC level 4-5 (KH AOR as base)
greek infantry pheraspidai - own MIC level 5 (Makedon AOR as base)
greek infantry hypaspistai - own MIC level 5 (Makedon AOR as base)

Ptolemaioi
arabian light cavalry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian slingers - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
arabian light infantry - regional MIC level 1-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean light spearmen - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean archers - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
ethiopean cavalry - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base)
red sea hoplites - regional MIC level 3-5 (Sabean AOR as base) (though they are greeks, nevertheless they are citizens-hoplites that's why - regional)

[bovi]

Are you sure you want this to be in the tech help forum? It seems to me to fit better in the unofficial mods section. Not to chase you away though.

[MiniMe]

I think you're right.
Can I ask you to move this tread to the unofficial mods subforum then?

[Lgk]

Please have mercy! 12mb non-zipped txt file!!

[MiniMe]

sorry, mate =)
first post updated: + zip package link

[Maksimus]

Lgk...

oh... I had my laugh

I remmember when I had dial-up... my god, it makes me wanna

[Lgk]

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The requested URL /dl was not found on this server.

:(

Besides txt link works fine... but not zip...

[MiniMe]

zip link is fine, please, try again

[Lgk]

methinks it was server error...
now it worked, thanks!

[Sarkiss]

great, thanks MM.
will download it tonight

[MiniMe]

Sarkiss, my guess is you're playing Hayasdan or Pahlavan campaign and you are familiar with their unit roster and recruitment areas ;-)
Any gaps similar to Epeiros Pheraspidai or Ptolemaioi Ethiopeans?

[Kepper]

If you play Baktria you can get Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
form your region Mic and form faction Mic but just in some region, don´t now if is bug.

[Hax]

Question: If I already have a level 5 MIC, do I have to tear it down and rebuild it to access Pheraspidai and Hypaspistai?

[Sarkiss]

Sarkiss, my guess is you're playing Hayasdan or Pahlavan campaign and you are familiar with their unit roster and recruitment areas ;-)
Any gaps similar to Epeiros Pheraspidai or Ptolemaioi Ethiopeans?

yep, there is a strange hole in recruitment at the start of the Armenian campaign when you cannot get Armenian spearmen in Armavir from the beginning, but can in Mtskheta (sp.) straight after capturing it without having to build any barracks, from the ones that already there.
that is all i remember atm. eagerly waiting for 1.1 to start Hai campaign anew
thanks

EDIT:
just to explain more clearly. it makes no sense: Armavir - Armenia Proper, Mtskheta - Khartli. if anything, it should be vice versa - Armenian spearmen available in Armavir from the start and in Kartli after baracks upgrade.

[Meothar]

According to the recruitment viewer, Carthage can't recruit anything except for catapults and mercenary generals in their Homeland province of Phoinike. Except for Syria, the whole eastern mediterrean coast and everything down to modern Jemen has almost no units to recruit. That doesn't seem right for a faction with lvl1 and lvl2 government there.

[Basileus Seleukeia]

As far as I have seen in custom battles, all Ethiopean and Arabian units should also be accesible by the Seleucids/Pontus/Armenia/well, everybody.
The Red-Sea hoplites could also be available to the Seleucids, they are greeks after all. But I can't remember if the AS have them in their custom battles roster...

[MiniMe]

Wow, thanx to everybody for raising these questions
I'm going to answer them all a bit later today (dinner time)

all but one most urgent

Question: If I already have a level 5 MIC, do I have to tear it down and rebuild it to access Pheraspidai and Hypaspistai?

No

If you play Baktria you can get Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
form your region Mic and form faction Mic but just in some region, don´t now if is bug.

Klerouchikoi Phalangitai AOR of different factions is one the biggest 1.0 mysteries. Greys and Yellows can recruit them as far as in western Spain an northern France. Blue can recruit them in their own MICs and regional MICs in their own provinces and Middle East respectively. And glorious kingdom of Pontus is not able to recruit them at all, though according to EDU they own them also.
Other mystery is the relation between AOR of Pezhetairoi and KH phalangitai. for some reasons Epeiros is not able to recruit middleclass longpikemen citizens in Taras, and in the same time KH can do that. Why?.. I don't know.
I will pay serious attention to this matter but only after 1.1. is out and make one AOR for Klerouchikoi Phalangitai for all factions and limit it to eastern hemishere (egypt and aravia included) only. For Greek/makedon middleclass citizen phalanx combined AOR there will be. And many more thoughts about the rest of the phalanx I have but all of them for 1.1 I keep =)

yep, there is a strange hole in recruitment at the start of the Armenian campaign when you cannot get Armenian spearmen in Armavir from the beginning, but can in Mtskheta (sp.) straight after capturing it without having to build any barracks, from the ones that already there.
that is all i remember atm. eagerly waiting for 1.1 to start Hai campaign anew
thanks
just to explain more clearly. it makes no sense: Armavir - Armenia Proper, Mtskheta - Khartli. if anything, it should be vice versa - Armenian spearmen available in Armavir from the start and in Kartli after baracks upgrade.

Sarkiss, I have to ask you: do you actually understand, how many armenians live in Tbiliso?
Ok, jokes aside. We could solve this problem
either 1. removing Kartli from Armenian spearmen AOR at all;
or 2. downgrading Mtskheta MIC;
or 3. upgrading Armavir.
Making the choice is up to you.

According to the recruitment viewer, Carthage can't recruit anything except for catapults and mercenary generals in their Homeland province of Phoinike. Except for Syria, the whole eastern mediterrean coast and everything down to modern Jemen has almost no units to recruit. That doesn't seem right for a faction with lvl1 and lvl2 government there.

Meothar, I completely agree with you on this matter. However, the problem is: Carthies don't own any of current Phoinike inhabitants that consist of Pantodapoi, Ioudai Taxeis and Klerouchoi Phalangitai. Well, the only way out of this is to give Carthies possibility to recruit in Phoinike their units of poeni blood - Poeni Citizen militia and... Sacred Band Infantry (why not, after all this was their motherland). Adding also Poeni Citizen and Sacred Band Cavalry will be too much, I'm afraid, cause Phoinike is not a "cavalry" province IMO.

As far as I have seen in custom battles, all Ethiopean and Arabian units should also be accesible by the Seleucids/Pontus/Armenia/well, everybody.

Yep, looks like we accidentally discovered not a Minor Ptolemaioi recruitment gap but a Major Everybody Arabian/Ethiopean recruitmant gap. I'll deal with it

The Red-Sea hoplites could also be available to the Seleucids, they are greeks after all. But I can't remember if the AS have them in their custom battles roster...

No they are not, according to EDU AS don't own them.

[MiniMe]

En suma:
Till this saturday I wiil add to EDB following alterations:
1. Poeni Citizen militia and Sacred Band Infantry for Carthies own MIC in Phoinike;
2. Arabian/ethiopean units for all factions;
...and last but not the least...
3. Syracuse Hoplite for Epeiros, Makedon and Roman regional MICs in Syracuse

If you happen to find any other recruitment matters to discuss, please post them here.
Best regards
MiniMe.

[Pode]

For clarity, does this "mod" include JMRC's optional Pahlava MIC 5 fix as discussed in the 1.0 fixes thread? If not, can you produce a version including that change to the EDB for those of us who fear the wall of text? Many thanks for undertaking this work.

[Lgk]

2. Arabian/ethiopean units for all factions;

If you happen to find any other recruitment matters to discuss, please post them here

Please fix that unrecruitable (forgotten by EB team) "ethiopian swordsmen" unit as well. Methinks it can use exactly the same "recruit" strings in EDB as "ethiopian cavalry" ones (except the name itself, of course).

[Sarkiss]

Sarkiss, I have to ask you: do you actually understand, how many armenians live in Tbiliso?
Ok, jokes aside. We could solve this problem
either 1. removing Kartli from Armenian spearmen AOR at all;
or 2. downgrading Mtskheta MIC;
or 3. upgrading Armavir.
Making the choice is up to you

yeah, there is a big Community in Vrastan:)
i think it is the best to upgrade Armavir.
thanks

[konny]

There are several regions where KH can recruit the (elite) Thorakitai Phalanx but not it's basic version (Iphikratians). The other way round would be understandable, but because the Thorakitai are not a reform unit, I don't see a reason why they are more common than the respective citizens' phalanx.

[MiniMe]

i think it is the best to upgrade Armavir.

I've just understood that to change that I have to mess with another file, not EDB. Since I'd like my work to be useful to all those who edit defferent files (Konny as one of them for example) I'm not going to add descr_strat to my pack.
sorry mate

There are several regions where KH can recruit the (elite) Thorakitai Phalanx but not it's basic version (Iphikratians). The other way round would be understandable, but because the Thorakitai are not a reform unit, I don't see a reason why they are more common than the respective citizens' phalanx.

Yep.
Would you like me to
1. increase Iphikratians AOR
or
2. decrease Thorakitai Phalanx AOR?

[konny]

Would you like me to
1. increase Iphikratians AOR
or
2. decrease Thorakitai Phalanx AOR?

Increase Iphikratians please.

[MiniMe]

no problem

[MiniMe]

More alterations made, first post link and description update.
more (of what we've been discussing) to follow. sooner or later
Best regards
MiniMe

[Sarkiss]

I've just understood that to change that I have to mess with another file, not EDB. Since I'd like my work to be useful to all those who edit defferent files (Konny as one of them for example) I'm not going to add descr_strat to my pack.
sorry mate

oh, i see.
hopefully it will be addressed in 1.1 which is again, hopefully, not far away.

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Perhaps you could also solve the Seleucid Elephantes Indiokoi AOR problem.
The Armored version is accesible through AS's Factional MIC in all sensible regions: Syria,Baktria and India. But the unarmored version is only available through teh factional MIC of Syria, but in all other regions they can only be recruited via regional baracks
Edit: And btw, Pontos can recruit kleruchoi phalangitai, they need a level 4 regional barrack in the provinces that are marked in the recruitment viewer.

[Intranetusa]

How do I combine this file with TW Fanatic's phalanx/cohort/elephant minimod? :/

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Minime, could you please upload the file on filefront? Uploaded.com is having problems with my browser.