MiniMe Temporary Pre-1.1 EDB alteration

[MiniMe]

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[Mouzafphaerre]

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I suspect it's a network/pipeline problem on this side of the globe.

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[konny]

On Pontos again.

I think to better display a faction that payed large effords in keeping a good balance between "Greeks" and "Persians", and taking into account that their heartlands are in central Asia Minor, I would propose the following changes to their recruitement pool:

Units that are now factional but should be regional:

Asabaran-i Hauravatish (Arachosian Skirmisher Cav)
Gund-i Nizagan (Parthian Spearmen)
Kardaka Arteshtar (Persian Hoplites)
Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen)
Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Archer-Spearmen)
Shivatir-i Pahlavanig (Parthian HA)
Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)

Some of them are only recruitable on the other side of the AS Empire and certainly don't have any meaning for a Kappadokian faction.

Units that are now regional but should be factional:

Hoplitai Haploi
Akontistai
Toxotai
Sphendonetai
Peltastai
Hoplitai
Lonchophoroi Hippeis
Klerouchoi Phalangitai

The Greek line up. The Klerouchoi are certainly not the best sollution I can think of, but Pontos should at least have partial access to a medium Phalanx by factional MICs.

Katpatuka Zanteush (Kappadokian Hillmen)

There is no reason why the (Kappadokian) Pontics can recruite Kappadokian cavalry but not the local infantry.

Asiatikoi Hippakontistai
Asiatikoi Hippeis

Debatable. They are not pure Anatolian units, but I think these together with the Pantodapoi Phalangitai are the perfect symbiosis between Greek and Asian military - typical Pontic, if you like.

Anatolikoi Phyletai

When we have an "Anatolian" faction than it is Pontos. On the other hand, changing the EDB entries for these guys is not worth the efford because they are about the same as the Katpatuka Zanteush - only weaker.


Comments, if you please?

[Basileus Seleukeia]

If you decide to change Persian hoplites and Kinsmen into regionals you'd have to build a Philhellenic satrapy there, which honestley doesn't make much sense. A Persian Satrapy, as you need it now to get them, would be much more suitable. You also have to regard that the Kings of Pontos were strongly hellenised, but still saw themselves as Persians open to hellenic culture. So they would also have liked to appease their Persian/Native subjects, perhaps with a slight intention of hellenising them. If you keep this in mind, then you'll see that the Pontics would have tried to support at least the Kinsmen, to please their old, traditionalistic Persian subjects. If that should also be the case for the Persian hoplites is debatable.
Edit: And regarding the Kleruchoi Phalangitai: If not even the Makedones and Eperioteans can recruit them in their factional MIC, why should Pontos? I think it is enough to make them available at a level 3 local MIC.

[konny]

If you decide to change Persian hoplites and Kinsmen into regionals you'd have to build a Philhellenic satrapy there, which honestley doesn't make much sense. A Persian Satrapy, as you need it now to get them, would be much more suitable.

Laying aside the naming of the governemental buildings, the problem is that Pontos can not recruite any factional units above Level 1 under a governement lesser Level II. The recruitement pool does not match with the homeland zones. For example in neighbouring Bithynia (homeland) Pontos is only able to raise three units out of their factional pool, everything else has to be regional.

You also have to regard that the Kings of Pontos were strongly hellenised, but still saw themselves as Persians open to hellenic culture. So they would also have liked to appease their Persian/Native subjects, perhaps with a slight intention of hellenising them. If you keep this in mind, then you'll see that the Pontics would have tried to support at least the Kinsmen, to please their old, traditionalistic Persian subjects. If that should also be the case for the Persian hoplites is debatable.

Both units (or the people that fought in that manner) live far outside the Pontic heartlands. Appart from the Thureophoroi (strange decision: Peltastai - no, Thureophoroi - yes), the Chalkaspidai and the Pantodapoi Phalangitai the faction is nearly 100% "Persian" by units and in no way a mixture of both cultures. That is certainly not correct.

Edit: And regarding the Kleruchoi Phalangitai: If not even the Makedones and Eperioteans can recruit them in their factional MIC, why should Pontos? I think it is enough to make them available at a level 3 local MIC.

because

a) Makedonia and Epeiros are Western Greek and have nothing to do with the Klerouchoi.
b) Pontos has a levy Phalanx (Panto) and an elite Phalanx (Chalkas). A faction that has her military so far Hellenized that it uses levy Phalanxes on a large scale and has her elite fight in a Phalanx should also be able to field a medium Phalanx as backbone of her army.

[MiniMe]

The Greek line up.

So, greeks and natives of Asia Minor - own,
Parhians and the rest of easterlings - native.
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Agree with you on all but one - classic hoplites.
To my understanding chaps like Thureophoroi and Kleruchoi Phalangitai are state soldiers, while classic hoplites are good old-fashioned self-organised local militia, and you can't recruit both kinds from same barracks. At least that's how it goes with all eastern greeks, and we here finally begin to understand that is is precisely eastern greeks that have most common with Pontos.

[konny]

Agree with you on all but one - classic hoplites.
To my understanding chaps like Thureophoroi and Kleruchoi Phalangitai are state soldiers, while classic hoplites are good old-fashioned self-organised local militia, and you can't recruit both kinds from same barracks

Yes, very good. That should also go for the Haploi who represent the same militia force from a poorer class (according to the description). In this case Pontos has to stick to Pantodapoi for militia.

That would make for the Hellenistic part of the army of Pontos:

Hippakontistai
Pantodapoi
Akontistai
Toxotai
Sphendonetai
Peltastai
Thureophoroi
Pantodapoi Phalangitai
Lonchophoroi Hippeis
Klerouchoi Phalangitai
Chalkaspides

That should do for a Asian faction that ended as "the last defender of Greece".

[MiniMe]

Agreed
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[Callicles]

When exactly is Catholic Cristmas?

December 25