Swordsman event

**Martok** · 12-08-2007, 09:49

To be more specific, one of your Yari units must achieve a certain honour level (2 maybe?) for the first time. As Spongie said, it should only take 1-2 battles for that to happen.

**Wasp** · 12-08-2007, 11:10

Yup, you usually get it after the first good battle. And then start pumping out those No-Dachi's!

**Drisos** · 12-10-2007, 02:20

Originally Posted by Wasp

Yup, you usually get it after the first good battle. And then start pumping out those No-Dachi's!

After one battle?

Must be my playing style, I usually took lots longer. I guess that's because I use almost only archers in the beginning phase..

I never knew that it was specifically a yari unit that had to achieve something, so thanks! I keep learning about this game.

**Papewaio** · 12-10-2007, 02:35

It might not only be Yari. My memory is a little hazy but archer kills get only half the honour gain. Which means by the time you would have an honour 2 archer you would have an honour 3 yari. Half the time, would mean twice as many significant battles.

Try and see if getting your Hatamoto into battle increaes the speed of swordsmen event.

**Martok** · 12-10-2007, 07:32

Hey Drisos! Good to see you again.

Originally Posted by Drisos

After one battle?

Must be my playing style, I usually took lots longer. I guess that's because I use almost only archers in the beginning phase..

I never knew that it was specifically a yari unit that had to achieve something, so thanks! I keep learning about this game.

To be honest, Papewaio is probably correct (in that it doesn't need to be a Yari unit that reaches the honour threshold for the Swordsman event). I've long been under the impression that it has to be a YS/YA unit, but there's no real reason to assume that that's so. It's just far more likely for Yari units to get the honour increase than Archers is all, as they're obviously inolved in melee a lot more often.

**Xehh II** · 12-13-2007, 01:56

So I'm supposed to get this swordsman event in 2-3 battles? I've fought at least 15 in my campaign.

**Papewaio** · 12-13-2007, 02:27

The guy who gets the honour as to survive.
Only has to be one guy.

From deepest darkest memory much like going up in generals rank you need ~n^2 kills per honour rank. And that you need an honour 3 guy.

Honour / kills hth / ranged fire
0 = 0 kills / 0 kills
1 = 1 kills / 2 kills
2 = 4 kills / 8 kills
3 = 8 kills / 16 kills

Now to make things complicated I think the honour of the defeated opponent is used too in the same value. So a honour 2 opponent is equivalent to killing 4 0 rank opponents.

So I think you have to have a surviving warrior with 8 kills (or 16 in archery). Or a single kill of a rank 3 opponent.

This needs to be tested since it is years since I have played STW:
Now things that will speed it up is fighting higher honour opponents. You could start with higher honour too. And that has a double effect... your honour 1 warriors need to get 7 kills, also if they are killed the enemy will now have higher honour and will be worth more.

So an honour 1 warrior should only need to kill 1 honour 0 enemy and 3 honour 1 warriors to get the swordsmen event.

This is about as hazy as a fog enshrouded map and tenous as grip of holding on as when that fog is filled with monks surrounding your Ashi gunners mind you... so take it with a pound of salt.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/archi...hp/t-1257.html

**Papewaio** · 12-13-2007, 04:28

After much searching I found it!!!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newre...te=1&p=1777549

Originally Posted by Younger, Sexier and Obviously More Intelligent Me

Five Honour 0 units fought two Honour 2 Units on custom.

All the Honour 0 men who lived and had killed one person where rank 2.

All the Honour 0 men who lived and had killed two people where rank 3.

Many of the Honour 2 men who killed one or two opponents stayed at rank 2. I speculate that the ones who did increase in rank killed a freshly minted rank 2 opponent (rank 0 killed rank 2 went to rank 2, then killed by one of the original rank 2 comrades).

I believe it is a binary formula where going up one rank takes;

2^(current rank) honour kills [hk].

Routing opponents = 0 honour
Honour Kill rating of an opponent = 2^(honour rank)

So a rank 0 opponent is worth one hk.
And a rank 2 opponent is worth 4 hks.

To get to rank 1 from rank 0 takes one hk.
To get to rank 2 from rank 1 takes two hks.
To get to rank 3 from rank 2 takes four hks.

So if you kill someone of higher honour who is not routing you will go to their rank.

If you kill someone of equal rank you will go up one rank.

Daimyo are honour rank 5. So kill one and you will progress to at least rank 5.

Generals are sometimes rank 3. So if they die they will trigger the legendary swordsmen event (assuming their killer survives)

**Spongie** · 12-16-2007, 21:24

Originally Posted by Xehh II

So I'm supposed to get this swordsman event in 2-3 battles? I've fought at least 15 in my campaign.

How strange. Do you have your faster-moving soldiers run down the enemy when they break? Good for racking up the kills and gaining honour.

I've never had to fight more than a handful of battles before getting the legendary swordsman event.