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[Long lost Caesar]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation? Keeping in mind I outfit European legions with

-1 General
-2 Brihentin Cav
-2 Sortaroas (sp.)
-2 triarii
-4 neitos
-4 principes

Any tips would be great, as I need to know if there's a better method to kill these crazy nudists. Once I've won the war ill introduce Gaul to clothes. "This is a toga, these are sandals..."

[Intranetusa]

Send in full stacks (20 units) after full stacks at them and wipe them out. Problem solved.

This is how I conquered the uber 6-chevroned rebels north of the Alps - I sent in wave after wave of my endless Roman hordes and overwhelmed them.

:D

[konny]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation?

The only sollution I found in my last Sweboz campaign was to reduce their hitpoints to 1. The Celts are simply unbeatable when Gaesatae are spammed like that. I was sometimes facing two armies at a time (for example in sieges) in which the Nudists were the core unit with a minimum of 6 units.

[Redmeth]

Like I said before their AOR was tweaked a bit to be the provinces where the Gaesatae tribe came from, only one starting province for each of the Aedui and Arvernii will have access and those are pretty disputed territories there...

The Celtic Elites will be another thing that we'll be able to represent much better in M2 engine so we won't have to do things to "hide" the units from the AI or tell people to use self-restraint so they won't be spammed.

[Intranetusa]

The only sollution I found in my last Sweboz campaign was to reduce their hitpoints to 1. The Celts are simply unbeatable when Gaesatae are spammed like that. I was sometimes facing two armies at a time (for example in sieges) in which the Nudists were the core unit with a minimum of 6 units.

If you have a good economy, fighting Gaesatae isn't a problem. I defeated a 1 full stack Adeui army composed of regular troops + another 1/2 stack of Gaesatae with 1 full stack of Polybian Hastatis, Principes, and Triari and another 1 full stack of entirely Camillan era Triaris (Triari-hoplite FTW!).

2 full stacks of Polybian Army + Camillain Triaris vs 1 full stack of Adeui + 1/2 stack of Gaesatae

[konny]

If you have a good economy, fighting Gaesatae isn't a problem. I defeated a 1 full stack Adeui army composed of regular troops + another 1/2 stack of Gaesatae with 1 full stack of Polybian Hastatis, Principes, and Triari and another 1 full stack of entirely Camillan era Triaris (Triari-hoplite FTW!).

The Romans are the only one who can beat them because of the AP pila, even slingers do not own them so fast like simple Hastati do. It is nevertheless important that you outnumber those people: in a perfect fight, and I had this twice, three units of Hastati will rout one unit of Gaesatae without even drawing swords, by the salvos of the 960 AP javelins.

My Sweboz didn't throw pila but crappy sticks, slingers are not to be have and about archers the Gaesatae simply laugh, so I had to sent two FM against every unit of them while the rest of the army had to keep the other Gaesatae in check and fight down who ever else is there. That works fine up to three units of Nakeds, but with 6 it's going to be a close run thing, and 10 of them will certainly be a crushing defeat with half of the family tree dead.

[Intranetusa]

The Romans are the only one who can beat them because of the AP pila, even slingers do not own them so fast like simple Hastati do.

AP pilla? Wow I didn't realize the hastatis & principes had the AP stats in their pilla throwing.

[Long lost Caesar]

I actually didn't. Pila do jack sh*t on a gaesaetae charge, they just keep coming. Are slingers best used against these madmen? Apparently they're better against armour than bowmen, but i don't know myself. Cheers

[Dyabedes of Aphrodisias]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation? Keeping in mind I outfit European legions with

-1 General
-2 Brihentin Cav
-2 Sortaroas (sp.)
-2 triarii
-4 neitos
-4 principes

Any tips would be great, as I need to know if there's a better method to kill these crazy nudists. Once I've won the war ill introduce Gaul to clothes. "This is a toga, these are sandals..."

Lots of missiles...lots and lots of missiles...if it comes to it, one or two units of some kind of artillery does wonders for you, but decent archers or lots of sacrificial skirmishers are the best things.

[Reno Melitensis]

I faught a series of battles against the Aedui circa 240 bce. I won Mediolanum, Segesta, and had to defend Massilia against them until finally, after 5 years of war they accepted peace, and to this day, 184 bce, there have been peace.

The trick, two legions commanded by your most able commanders. The legions, 5 maniples of Hastati, 5 maniples of Principes, 3 of Triari, 3 or 4 Velies deployed between the maniples of Hastati, one Accensi. The two empty slots should be filled with cavalry, number one choise, Extraordinari. if not available take characters, the Consular cavalry are good. Do not worry about the naked fanatics, use your cavalry as a hammer , and keep the Triari as a reserve, and deploy them to critical spots in your battle line.

Cheers.

[gurakshun]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation? Keeping in mind I outfit European legions with

-1 General
-2 Brihentin Cav
-2 Sortaroas (sp.)
-2 triarii
-4 neitos
-4 principes

Any tips would be great, as I need to know if there's a better method to kill these crazy nudists. Once I've won the war ill introduce Gaul to clothes. "This is a toga, these are sandals..."

Helvetii/Alpine Phalanxes backed up by your LARGE, LARGE contingent of missile troops (the best you can get...probably will end up being Iosatae for the Romani), and a good 2-3 cavalry ALONG with your FM to surgically break individual units of pinned gaesatae(that are under fire by your missles while struggling to get past the phalanx spears) in a concentrated charge.

Romans were known for their ingenuity and willingness to learn and use new tactics, so don't feel the phalanx usage is wrong.

[NeoSpartan]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation? Keeping in mind I outfit European legions with

-1 General
-2 Brihentin Cav
-2 Sortaroas (sp.)
-2 triarii
-4 neitos
-4 principes

Any tips would be great, as I need to know if there's a better method to kill these crazy nudists. Once I've won the war ill introduce Gaul to clothes. "This is a toga, these are sandals..."

Ur army suck... too small to take on the FULL MIGHT of Gallic elites!

My sugestions... (although I as a Gallic player shouldn't)

(Hellenic style variation)
-1 General
-5 Cavarly (brihentin, or pedites extraordinary)
-3 Helvetii or Pezetaroi (sp)
-4 Triarii
-1 Urundous (sp) (the naked regular guys)
-4 Principes.
-2 Velitets

(non-Hellenic style)

-1 General
-4 Cavarly (heavy)
-4 Triarii
-4 Neitos/Samniti Extraordinary (sp)
-4 Principes.
-2 Velitets (sp)
-1 Urundous (sp)

Three main differences:
1. MORE MEN!
2. No crappy missiles against heavy infantry.
3. Stronger Cavarly arm.

[Apgad]

Yeah, I'd go with more calvary too. I'm pretty sure the whole "intimidated by nearby enemy" doesn't apply to horses. Probably because they've got a bigger "weapon", if you know what I mean...

[The Celtic Viking]

Yeah, the gaesatae only frighten enemy infantry.

I would however suggest throwing, hurling, slinging, shooting, conjuring and catapulting anything you can on them. Gaesatae are weak to the ranged stuff, and that their experience is useless in defending against it doesn't make things worse for you.

[antisocialmunky]

Set your units in guard mode in two rows and wait them out. They'll get tired before you do and then its time to hack them to bits.

[pezhetairoi]

To the OP:

You really can't handle that with just 15 units. More cavalry is a must (though the Gaesatae also eat through cavalry, you can pound the Solduros with your AP Brihentin) and slingers also. Many, many slingers. 6 units would be a nice minimum. They have the longest range of any missiles ingame in the West, so that'll give you more volleys. Not to mention you can shave their armour from 5 to 2/3, and you get 30 shots at them instead of the regulation 15 of archers, and if your slingers are experienced, better still. Mori Gaesum, as mentioned before, or even Appea Gaedotos, will suffice too. Hold them with your Neitos and phalanx troops, then hammer them from behind with slingers for gaesatae and brihentin for solduros, while flanking with your principes. And pray hard your Neitos don't break before.

I think the intimidation effect of Gaesatae isn't cumulative, so 7 gaesatae in one place makes no more difference morale-wise than 1 unit present. So you don't have to worry about that at least. Let them pile on your phalanx. But not so deeply that some units can disengage to counter when you begin flanking/rearing.