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[konny]

Gaul. A land of rolling hills, strong rivers...and Aedui. God I hate them. I have at least 4 legions (army with 15 units) in Gaul, but the experienced Gaesaetae are always a problem for me. Gallic armies with a few of these hard asses in em i can take. Its just when seven supported by Solduros come at me i begin to wet myself. How would you guys tackle this situation?

The only sollution I found in my last Sweboz campaign was to reduce their hitpoints to 1. The Celts are simply unbeatable when Gaesatae are spammed like that. I was sometimes facing two armies at a time (for example in sieges) in which the Nudists were the core unit with a minimum of 6 units.

[Redmeth]

Like I said before their AOR was tweaked a bit to be the provinces where the Gaesatae tribe came from, only one starting province for each of the Aedui and Arvernii will have access and those are pretty disputed territories there...

The Celtic Elites will be another thing that we'll be able to represent much better in M2 engine so we won't have to do things to "hide" the units from the AI or tell people to use self-restraint so they won't be spammed.

[Intranetusa]

The only sollution I found in my last Sweboz campaign was to reduce their hitpoints to 1. The Celts are simply unbeatable when Gaesatae are spammed like that. I was sometimes facing two armies at a time (for example in sieges) in which the Nudists were the core unit with a minimum of 6 units.

If you have a good economy, fighting Gaesatae isn't a problem. I defeated a 1 full stack Adeui army composed of regular troops + another 1/2 stack of Gaesatae with 1 full stack of Polybian Hastatis, Principes, and Triari and another 1 full stack of entirely Camillan era Triaris (Triari-hoplite FTW!).

2 full stacks of Polybian Army + Camillain Triaris vs 1 full stack of Adeui + 1/2 stack of Gaesatae

[konny]

If you have a good economy, fighting Gaesatae isn't a problem. I defeated a 1 full stack Adeui army composed of regular troops + another 1/2 stack of Gaesatae with 1 full stack of Polybian Hastatis, Principes, and Triari and another 1 full stack of entirely Camillan era Triaris (Triari-hoplite FTW!).

The Romans are the only one who can beat them because of the AP pila, even slingers do not own them so fast like simple Hastati do. It is nevertheless important that you outnumber those people: in a perfect fight, and I had this twice, three units of Hastati will rout one unit of Gaesatae without even drawing swords, by the salvos of the 960 AP javelins.

My Sweboz didn't throw pila but crappy sticks, slingers are not to be have and about archers the Gaesatae simply laugh, so I had to sent two FM against every unit of them while the rest of the army had to keep the other Gaesatae in check and fight down who ever else is there. That works fine up to three units of Nakeds, but with 6 it's going to be a close run thing, and 10 of them will certainly be a crushing defeat with half of the family tree dead.

[Intranetusa]

The Romans are the only one who can beat them because of the AP pila, even slingers do not own them so fast like simple Hastati do.

AP pilla? Wow I didn't realize the hastatis & principes had the AP stats in their pilla throwing.

[Long lost Caesar]

I actually didn't. Pila do jack sh*t on a gaesaetae charge, they just keep coming. Are slingers best used against these madmen? Apparently they're better against armour than bowmen, but i don't know myself. Cheers

[Intranetusa]

I actually didn't. Pila do jack sh*t on a gaesaetae charge, they just keep coming. Are slingers best used against these madmen? Apparently they're better against armour than bowmen, but i don't know myself. Cheers

IMO, I think the best strategy against naked crazies is "sutround and pound."

(Distract them in melee, get behind them, throw 2 volleys of pilla into their backs, and charge & surround them. )

[Watchman]

Gaesatae armour value isn't so high that the AP attribute as such would make great difference (5), but as you're not going to find much in the way of good archers in the West slingers (whose missile attack tends to rival or exceed the archers' there, nevermind now with the AP effect thrown in) and javelins are your best bet.

Incidentally, the very high attack value of those German throwing-spears ought to make them pretty good for nailing most Celtic infantry. Simple math really; the mail-clad guys aside around the highest armour you're going to find in Gaul is around 5 (plus shield, but that isn't affected by AP). About half of that off with AP is 2-3 - and Roman pila and Iberian solifera don't have terribly high base attack values, 4-5 in most cases, and the slingers even lower. The German frameas tend to have something like 8 though; they ought to perform about as equally against the lightly armoured types, get past shield scores better, and ought to be right murder to unarmoured troops.

[delablake]

I actually didn't. Pila do jack sh*t on a gaesaetae charge, they just keep coming. Are slingers best used against these madmen? Apparently they're better against armour than bowmen, but i don't know myself. Cheers

I think the best would be heavy machine-guns and flamethrowers and maybe one or two Lockheed AC-130 gunships to be sure...but, as these means are not available in ancient Rome, I prefer volleys of burning arrows (not in "fire at will" modus) from the flanks for psychological effects, triarii to keep them at range, hastati for backup and pila, and finally 2 heavy cavalry from the flanks and 2 into the back.

[Pharnakes]

Does it really need all that?

Personaly I have never had a problem with gaesatae, pin and flank, chain routs will do the rest, quick time.

[Long lost Caesar]

good point...but mentioning gunships just reminded me of Call of duty 4 when youre using one. god that would make my job so much more easier...and awesome!