Client Rulers

[anubis88]

1) i dunno if you can
2) when he dies he dies... no one else will apear. When this happens to me i just destroy the type IV goverment an create it again... Then a new ruler is spawned

[marek]

1) i dunno if you can
2) when he dies he dies... no one else will apear. When this happens to me i just destroy the type IV goverment an create it again... Then a new ruler is spawned

Thanks for the response -
Do you find it better to have a type IV government if you don't have an available governor, or is it sometimes better to just have a city without any governor at all?

[Callicles]

It depends on your financial and military situation. If you are under threat of war, sometimes it is better to have the Governor there to serve as general of the garrison. But if you are low on cash, his salary can really eat up the treasury.

I'm using a lot of client rulers in my current campaign because I only have 2 family members, and one leads the army.

[konny]

I had used a lot of client rulers in my first EB 1.0 campaign, but hardly use them anymore. They are really a help in the first years when your family is small and you need the FMs as heavy infantry or cavalry. But later they become more of a burden than a help because of the salery (different to your own bodyguards, you always have to pay upkeep for the client rulers' household troops - and that's always a first class unit).

Another point is that you cannot replace him even if he turns out to be useless. And last but not least, he is "blocking" a city where your young governors might develop.

I now only use them in outlying regions that I didn't wanted to conquer (for example, took because it was the last settlement of a faction I was at war with) or sometimes for roleplaying reasons in well developed cities of a different culture.

I'm using a lot of client rulers in my current campaign because I only have 2 family members, and one leads the army.

How had that happend? The plague? The Celts?

[Morte66]

A sufficiently good assassin ought to remove him...

[rzzza]

A sufficiently good assassin ought to remove him...

you cant assassinate your own people in this game...i tried. It worked in M:TW though.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

You cannot remove a client ruler, just like historically someone set up as a puppet king wouldn't just disappear when the protector nation told him to. Negative traits were planned for a client ruler who lost is possition, so that the town would be more likely to rebel.

To replace a ruler, you have to rebuild the Type4. It only takes two turns and that time can represent the transition period.

I'm not sure, but I think client rulers will count as family members and have many may be the reason you'll have a small amount of real family members.

You can assasinate your own characters in RTW, but only spies, assassins, and diplomats. There is no way of directly getting rid of family members or recruitable generals.

I would suggest putting client rulers in places where you want to role-play that you have a client kingdom, and not simply for the reason of getting a free governor. Remember that with a Type4 you can't get most of the high end buildings.

[Callicles]

How had that happend? The plague? The Celts?

No. A combination of poor planning, a lot of horse archers, a few Armenians, and a crafty Seleucid general who also was an Armenian.

Let's just say that we are enjoying our new home on the cold side of the Black Sea.

[pezhetairoi]

It's got nice vistas, good caviar, a comfortable climate far away from population centres, where you can relax and just sit back to read a scroll.

...Couldn't be better. XD

Damn, I hate my new keyboard. The flexible type has keys so hard to press it took me ten minutes to finish scrawling this message. o.O

[Callicles]

Not to mention a pretty good harbor.

[sanitarium]

Cities on the interior of my empire I like client rulers, but I hate them for cities on the frontier (in other words, cities likely to be attacked). Their movement penalty makes it impossible to sally out, even with the supposed fix (for me at least, the fix doesn't work). If I have a client ruler in a city that gets attention by the enemy, I suicide them if I get the chance.

[quackingduck]

so once your client ruler is there with your lev 4 gov't, there's no way to go back until your client leader dies??

[sanitarium]

Well, you can get rid of the level 4 government, but he'll still be there. What you can do is remove the government and put in another, that way if you put a FM in the city he won't receive the interloper trait (I'm pretty sure, anyways).