Failed ones. We aren't a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic with a representative legislature. This is the reality.Originally Posted by rvg
Re: The Concept of Secession
Failed ones. We aren't a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic with a representative legislature. This is the reality.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Re: The Concept of Secession
Republic is a form of Democracy. If by Democracy you mean specifically a Direct Democracy, then no, we aren't one, and aside from a couple of cantons in Switzerland I cannot think of any other contemporary examples of a direct democracy.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: The Concept of Secession
Not so.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: The Concept of Secession
Is so....
Main Entry: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural de·moc·ra·cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos + -kratia -cracy
Date: 1576
1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2: a political unit that has a democratic government
3capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy— C. M. Roberts>
4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
The American Republic clearly fits the definition.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: The Concept of Secession
You said a republic is a form of democracy. May I present the Republic of Sudan. Perhaps, Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Now if you'd said that a republic may be a form of democracy........
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: The Concept of Secession
Those two do not make the American Democracy any less legitimate. Any social structure can be perverted to the point of tyranny, and practically any social structure can be made democratic (such as the United Kingdom, which despite being a monarchy is a parliamentary democracy).
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: The Concept of Secession
i don't believe at this point in time a civil war or attempted secession would succeed in america, we're just too damn interwoven. If the south decided to rise again many northerners would have to fight there own families. many of us have grandparents in florida, relatives in california or new york. and the masses probably are not willing to divide families and pick up a gun to fight ones brother on behalf of so fleeting a cause as any can be rendered in the U.S.
what if republicans turn on the democrats, no one will fight for that. Taxes too high, one good riot will get our chosen representative off his arse and cause change. Maybe bush will try to cross the rubicon (so to speak) and attempt to become dictator... he would have no following, the army would not stand by him to subgegate there own families.
we are too prosperous for any hope of a rebellion or secession.
A nation of sheep will beget a a government of wolves. Edward R. Murrow
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. —1 John 2:9
Re: The Concept of Secession
....and we were a republic before we were a 'constitutional monarchy'. We've witnessed the problems of having a politician as the head of state. It's not big, it's not funny and it's not clever.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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