Religious Wars - A Desperate World

[Baby Boomer]

Religious Wars

New religions are surfacing, those who dare oppose the might of Rome and its people who they command. Rome has a hand everywhere, able to move ones mind with a slight move of finger. Men such as Martin Luther and Calvin oppose Rome's views and have thus divided Europe. The Lutheran religion soon grasps most of Germany and Northern Europe and East France. East France rebels against the West and declares its own State. West France declares war on East France, and the first battleground is Paris. In Spain nothing changes, but it draws in riches from its overseas colonies, and is not affected by the Religious Wars happening elsewhere, but by Nationalist rebellions in Portugal. England is in revolt, and is much like Germany with the country now divided into states. Meanwhile the Irish fight over the dominant religion. Russia is in famine, and in war against Sweden who fights vicously against a new religious tide from Rome with the recent death of their King. The TUrks face trouble not in Europe, but in North Africa where the Algerians, Moroccans and Mali have united to face them off. All in all, a hard time.













This is my first interactive history, so if I get stuff wrong, just quietly tell me. I've read most of the interactive history's in here, and I think the one (Like 17th Century Interactive) caught my attention moreso. If you want to see examples of my writing skills check out in the Mead Hall; Alternate World War One (A bit gruesome) and Eureka! A HoI 2 AAR (Three Chapters In)


Nations:
The Kingdom of Scotland (Catholic/ Anglican / Luthrean) (Capital: Edinburgh) (Played by shlin28)
The Kingdom of Catholic Ireland (Catholic) (Capital: Belfast) (Played by Peasant Phill)
The State of Anglican Ireland (Anglican) (Capital: Dublin)
(I am allowing only two English States to be played)
The State of London (Anglican) (Capital: London) (Played by CountArach)
The State of Essex (Anglican) (Capital: Plymouth)
The State of Yorkshire ( Catholic) (Capital: York)
The State of Manchester (Catholic ) (Capital: Manchester)

The Kingdom of West France (Catholic/Luthrean)(Capital:Orleans) (Played by Caius)
The ArchDuchy of Austria (Catholic/ Luthrean) (Capital:Vienna) (Played by Draco Leman)
The Duchy of Bavaria (Luthrean / Catholic) (Capital: Augsburg) (Played by King Jan III Sobeski)
The Duchy of Brandenburg(Luthrean) (Capital: Berlin) (Played by Tiberius of the Drake)
The Kingdom of Sweden(Luthrean) (Capital: Stockholm) (Played by {BHC}AntiWarManCake88)
The Tsardom of Russia(Orthodox/Luthrean/ Catholic) (Capital: Moscow) (Played by Ichigo)
The Sulatante of Ottoman Turkey (Islam) (Capital: Constainople) (Played by Fahad I)
The Kingdom of Spain (Catholic / Luthrean / Islam) (Capital: Seville) (Played by: Motep)
The African Alliance(Morroco/ Algeria/ Mali) (Islam) (Capital: Algiers) (Played by kamikhaan)
The Kingdom of Sicily (Catholic) (Capital: Palermo)

Non - Playable
The Swiss Republic (Undeclared) (Capital: Bern)
The United Republic of Free Holland (Luthrean / Catholic) (Capital: Amsterdam)
The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg (Luthrean) (Capital: Luxembourg)
The Kingdom of Poland (Catholic/ Luthrean) (Capital: Cracow)
The Republicof Genoa (Catholic) (Capital: Genoa)
The United Kingdom of Corso (Undeclared) (Capital: Ajacco)
The Khanate of Persia (Muslim) (Capital:Ardabil)
The Kingdom of Denmark/Norway (Luthrean/ Catholic) (Capital: Copenhagen)
The Electorate of Franconia (Luthrean) (Capital: Dortmund)
The Electorate of Saxony (Calvinist/ Luthrean) (Capital: Magdeburg)
Rome / The Papal States (Catholic) (Capital: Rome)
The Kingdom of Portugal (Catholic/ Lutheran/ Muslim) (Lisbon)
The City State of Venice (Catholic) (Capital: Venice)
The Holy Roman Empire (Catholic / Lutheran) (Capital: Frankfurt)
The Kingdom of Wales (Anglican) (Capital: Cardiff)
The Kingdom of Eastern France (Luthrean) (Capital:TBC)

That is all the Nations. All shall be represented in game by a player eventually, I hope.

The Rules

1)Use this thread for public declarations and speeches. You may use propaganda and declare wars (Diplomacy) here publicly, and make announcements and speeches.
(a) Whatever you say IC in this thread I take into account for the next chapter. If you say things against another nations people then those people will dislike you.
(b) Beware what you say religious wise, its a important factor for this Interactive. You could spark a Religious War.

2) I make One Chapter with the choices to the end, it is your job to use those choices as a base for more detailed choices.
(a) The person who puts more effort in is the person more likely to win.
(b) If you give skungy orders I may take it upon myself to punish you. Not fair? THen put in good orders!

3) Don't worry about research and the likes, this game goes off the rails history wise. Many things will happen which didn't occur back then.
(a) But it may be a good idea to compare situations to real life ones!

4)The objective of this game is to stay united and keep one religion. I assure you, at some point in this game you will have a Nation which is riddled by about 4 Religions. When there is more then 1 Religion, there is something called Religious Unrest. COntrol this how you want, killings, diplomacy, etc. But if it reaches %100 then you've got a Religious War o your hands, and trust me, there not pretty.
(a) To communicate with the Religious Rebels, PM me. I will then pass it onto the rebels (*wink*) and they will reply to you.

5)Diplomacy is run by PM'ing the Player you which to talk to. Remember, when deals are signed either
(a) Declare it publicly
(b) If you don't want another certian Player to know something, then PM it to me.

6) Your Country's economy depends on how much your money is worth. Every nation is classed under a type of money (Like today with Euro's and Dollars) One County's economy could be bigger then the other because there type of money is worth more. THe worth of each money is figured out by a nations progress, and all the calculation (IC) happens at a nations centre of trade.
(a) If a nations Centre of Trade, where the money is calcualted, etc, is destroyed, that nation automaticlly drops into a Economical Crisis, from which there money is worth nothing.
(b) When a nations money is worth nothing, they can't keep paying for there armies and cities, so the happiness drops, and it is most likely to spark a Religious War, after which it is promised your nation will lose a LOT.
(c) If a nation drops into a said Crisis, it can only be brought out of the Crisis by either a Relocation of the Trade Centre and some great speaking in this thread.

7)Remember, always post IC, and try and Role Play your Character a bit! Don't be boring and post every month your decisions! I want speeches! I want drama!

Buying at the Market:
Spoiler tags to keep the post short:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have, and am, trying to introduce a new part of this Interactive, seeing as it is usally about Military.

Every single currency, will have a market. On the market, there will be several companies, and the Royal (Nations Name) Company. At the start of every turn the nation is given a certian amount of money, and its the Players objective to rule the market. Example:

Florin:
Royal Saxon Company 10%
Royal Franconian Company 10%
Royal Bavarian Company 10%
Royal Austrian Company 10%
The Empire 50%

You get 5000 Florins to spend, to buy 5% is 3000 florins. Its your choice where you buy. Lets say, Saxony buys 5% of Franconia's share, and so does Bavaria. But Franconia buys a bit of Austria making it:

15%
5%
15%
5%
50%

Several questions asked by various people playing this game:
A answer to a question of hows it runs, asked by Caius:

Every company owns a percentage of that currency, as the given example before, for the Florin. The worth of a currency is given of how many people own part of that currency. If 10 people own part of it, it isn't worth as much. If one person has a owns it all, it is most likely #1.

So at the start of every turn, you are given 5000 pieces of that money. When you want to buy a piece of a certian currency (3000 for 5%) Say it publicly, and I will change the prices. They can be changed and swapped around untill you run out of money. Its ongoing.

Now does it make better sense? The whole feature is every nation owns a Company (Saxony owns Royal Saxon Company) and Saxony owns 10% of the Florin. They get 5000 Florins and they can spend it by buying percentages of other companies, until they totally own it. But every other nation will be doing that as well.

When you reach 0% you can no longer buy percantages until you buy back in, which costs 10 000, giving your Trade Opponet percious time. With this feature you can also form Trade Agreements, meaning you will not buy each others percantages.

To form a second company, it costs 25 000, to completely outright buy or own a enemy company (Meaning they can't buy anymore) It costs 40 000 or if you annex all their cities.

One asked by kamikhaan:

Is there any inherent advantage to controlling the market? Its interesting and all, I'm just not quite seeing the advantage to controllin the market? Does it increase your economic potential as a nation? Or perhaps help raise the value of the currency?

My answer:

Your armies operate much more effectively, as do your generals. Matters have much more chances of succes, and revolt and religious rebellions risks are decreased


The rest of my answer: Aboslutely. The advantages of owning market, as I explained to Caius by PM, are many.
Better serving Generals (Smarter) and better serving armies (Better morale, fight better)
More recruiting options.
Your nation is richer and is more likely to win wars and will not revolt.
More options avabile to you every Chapter.

A PM kamikhaan sent me, regarding Market Buying, his question:

Okay, I'm a bit tired, but I'd really like to make sure that I'm clear EXACTLY on how this market thingy works. As example, I shall use the Tugra, based on what you told me previously, which is this:

Current market of Tugra:
Royal Ottoman Company 40%
Royal African Company 20%
Alexandria Shipping Company 10%
Constaiople Gun Makers Company 20%
Timbuktu Trading Company 10%

So basically, if I understand this correctly, I own the Royal African Company, and the TImbuktu Trading Company, while the Ottomans own the Royal Ottoman Company, the Alexandria Shipping Company, and the Constantinople Guns Makers Company. Therefore, I must state that if I attempt to buy, for example, 10% market share, I must clarify for which of my companies, correct? Meanwhile, the Ottomans can only attempt to gain percentages for their three companies, and not mine. Am I correct? And when they do so, they must then be taking said percentage from a specifically stated opponent's company, yes?

My answer:

Yes, that is perfectly right, except that every Company is indepedant, no matter who owns the territory they live in.

I hope this explains everything. When some Players ask more questions I shall update this FAQ with it, and the answers. PM me if you need some clarifacation.

Another question by about the previous from kamikhaan:

Could you please clarify the statement that every company is independant? If they are independant, than how is it that I can gain market share, as I cannot buy from/for them? I'm afraid that got me a bit lost.

My answer:

You, as a nations leader and nation, represent your Royal Company (In your case, African Alliance) and you get 5000 to spend. They, are a powerful group inside your nation, inside or a city in your nation. They are not independant politicially of your nation, but economiclly they can represent themselves. The percantage your Royal Company represents is everything else, apart from them.

And another question, which kamikhaan answered by himself:

Ah, so in fact, only the Ottoman Royal Company and the African Royal company are currently under the influence of rulers(me and Shogun). Meanwhile, the other three companies operate completely independant of us, even though they might reside and/or headquarter within the political boundaries of our nation, right? Thus, they actually can make their own decisions regarding their own attempts to seize a larger share of the market, yes?
Yes.

And a VERY important fact he mentioned:

Can I forcibly seize the assets of independant companies through "persuasive" methods if they're headquartering in my cities?

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is true.

I will post a map with the latest stuff soon. THe rules might not be informative, so use your past knowledge. But PLEASE, read them anyway. Especially Number 4.

NEW CHANGES MADE 1/3/08
*NOTE* We have a 12th Player; CountArach. He is currently going to take control fo The State of London. I hope you enjoy the game CountArach!

Remember, this is Alternate History.

Now choose your nations!

[Caius]

I'll be West France.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

Just curious how will an income system (if there is one) and how will battles work.

other than that ill take Brandenburg/Teutonic order.

[Baby Boomer]

If there was to be a income system, I'd probably make it too complicated. I'd probably just add that you can recruit a certian amount of men, but I will tell you when you've reached a limit.

I am adding you two down now.

[Ayachuco]

Can I be Austria?
Can you also bold the name of the people who have already taken a country.

[seireikhaan]

Morocco/Algeria/Mali for me.

[Seign Thelas]

I'll pick up Sweden if you don't mind.

I'll even wait until the second chapter.

[Baby Boomer]

I will put you down now. I insist to put your decisions down on Chapter I, as this is a important chapter for starting up. Start next Chap. and you won't be as involved.

@Tiberius, That is a large Saxony. It seems the map is a bit confusing, I can number the Country's if everyone wants.

There are also several things I have not listed which you may do. That involves recruiting, propaganda in cities, patrols, etc. That small stuff which doesn't make it to Chapters. I was a bit worried, I thought we were going to stop getting Players!

[seireikhaan]

Hmm, a couple of questions, Baby Boomer. I noticed I have troops in Tunis. Is Tunisia considered part of Algeria, or is it actually in the alliance as well? Also, when I make my decision as to whether to be a Sultan or Chief, must I do that in public, here, or do I just send it in a PM to you?

[Seign Thelas]

Okay. If you want me in Chapter 1, that's good, too. I just wanted to be convenient. Haha.

[Baby Boomer]

@kamikhaan, Tunisia is considered as part of ALgeria. As you can see from the map, all parts painted in brown are part of the African Alliance. Morroco owns Western Sahara, Mali own Senegal, Nigeria, Mauritania, and Algeria owns Tunisia. Also all decisions are sent to me by PM.

@seignthelas, I've added your choices in (With a map) Its convenient adding you into the first chapter.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Great chapter!

[seireikhaan]

Hmm, interesting, verrrrry interesting.

Great Chapter, Baby Boomer!

[Peasant Phill]

Hmm, I thought the Catholics were already blockading Dublin. Oh well, it hasn't caused an English attack. Let's hope it stays that way*.

A good installment, lots of interesting choices and opportunities.

* Baby Boomer, this is no way a hint to get the Anglican of their arse and into their battledress. I'm asking for peace remember.

[Baby Boomer]

A Open Message from Rome:

The Kingdom fo Scotland has disobeyed ancient rules we hold dearest. We have been smacked in the face, in the terms of the Pope! You hold bishops held sacred to the Papal States, and the Pope is willing to grace excommunication upon you, enabling the old but true method of Crusade. We are willing to ask any other Catholic Nation, be that Western France, Ireland, Spain or other, make sure these hehretics return true Roman men!


OOC: Thanks for all the compliments all. I've given this deadline a long break, so don't worry if this is a bit inactive for a while, its just enjoying the holidays!

[Caius]

Open Message from Western France:

Our country cant tolerate this separation. Eastern France, with their leaders who lead their people to death, made me start this war, such thing is sadly for our people. I have to recognize that my country is looking for war, but I want to share the same flag. I understand the situation, everyone is claiming for peace. I want peace, but we have to fight, as we don't have any chance to talk with the enemy leaders. Also, I want help.

Kind Regards

Western France.

[Peasant Phill]

I, Gerald FitzGerald, 11th earl of Kildare and peer of Ireland by grace of God declare the following:

To Henry, the VIIIth by that name, King of England and Lord of Ireland:

This is my second plea for peace between Your armies and the Irish people. I did not receive any response on my first request so I assume You're still holding counsel on the matter. I am pleased that You do not dismiss me lightly.

I am aware that the Irish ships blockading Dublin aren't reinforcing my plea for peace. Note however that they haven't fired one single shot. None of the Irish troops for that matter have acted offensively. You have my word that they'll keep on the defensive as long as it takes for you to come to a conclusion.
The blockade itself was necessary to hold of foreign forces that could've toppled the balance that we've struck and thus could drag both our people in unnecessary bloodshed. I'm proud my men were able to prevent such a thing but sad that I had to take such precautions.

I await your response with eager heart.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

A Open Message from Rome:

The Kingdom fo Scotland has disobeyed ancient rules we hold dearest. We have been smacked in the face, in the terms of the Pope! You hold bishops held sacred to the Papal States, and the Pope is willing to grace excommunication upon you, enabling the old but true method of Crusade. We are willing to ask any other Catholic Nation, be that Western France, Ireland, Spain or other, make sure these hehretics return true Roman men!!

We would ask his most serene and powerful Holy Father not to forget his faithful subjects in Bavaria, also!

Albert V, Duke of Bavaria

[Baby Boomer]

OOC: THats because Bavaria is Luthrean

Open Message From The Ottoman Empire:

We, the Ottoman Empire, call upon the African Alliance to surrender themselves to our armies, which nervertheless will happen in due time. You have only escaped our attention due to several mishappeningsin Europe. We have a large Turkish Army heading straight to Egypt now. Call down your Nubian friends, call down your armies and we will spare you the fate of Cyprus.

We also call upon Genoa to stop its barbaric invasion Venice, but do not wish for Austria to be involved.

Sultan of the Turkish Empire,

[Peasant Phill]

Lords of Europe, the East and Africa I implore thee to listen,

You may or may not be aware of the ongoing negotiations between me and the Irish Anglican rebels.
These scoundrels refuse to communicate with me. If it were not for the mediation of Scotland I would hear nothing of them. The house of FitzGerald, however, has nothing to hide so we will answer them publicly so that you high lords can make up your minds about this rebellion.

These are the words of the leader of the rebels to a proposition fabricated by Scottish mediators:

No, we shall not. Why should they be given land? We, peace loving people who follow a different faith then them so we're invaded, had no warlike intentions. Let me remind you that in 1540 it was them who issued a blockade; a aggressive action. They then marched they're army and killed our people with the excuse that we reside in their land following a different faith and ruler.

We will accept peace if they retreat from all our lands and give us 5% of their company.

We like to comment on this statement publicly

1. We, peace loving people ..., had no warlike intentions We laugh at this remark. They were given ample time to plead to us. We asked several times to answer us and start a proper dialog, yet they remained dumb and deaf. However, in the mean time, they gladly tried to further there influence by building unwanted Anglican churches everywhere in Ireland. These rebels gladly accepted foreign help instead of looking for a more permanent solution. It's crystal clear that had chosen war from the start as there preferred tool and discarded any other means.

2.Let me remind you that in 1540 it was them who issued a blockade; a aggressive action. They then marched they're army and killed our people Neither of those actions were aggressive by nature. We're not going to deny that lives were lost because of those actions, the number of lives are, however, much lower than when We would've allowed this rebellion to become a full scale civil war. How hypocrite can you be to accuse us of bloodlust while preparing the most bloody conflict Ireland has seen in centuries. The blockade diminished the foreign pro-civil-war influence. The so called invasions finally stimulated the rebels to start talking to us although scarcely and all but constructive. Also note that our armies and ships did not fire a single shot or thrusted a single pike in flesh without warning and giving a chance to walk away from the dispute. The men that surrendered in Louth and Meath weren’t killed or taken captive.

3. with the excuse that we reside in their land following a different faith and ruler. The lands that you claim include Kildare, our birthright and the lands of ten generations of my ancestors the house of FitzGerald. How long have you and your people been on that land? The King of England, the only other lord with a claim to Irish Island, publicly accepted me as King of the whole of Ireland. You can’t deny my rule over the lands that you reside in.
Now you admit following a different ruler and thus you admit committing treason. We find that we have been very lenient in our demands towards you in comparison to other kings in the same situation.
We also find it amusing that your ruler, that proclaimed himself king so easily, stays anonymous. How can you claim to be anything but a criminal organisation when your leader doesn’t dare to lead you in public.
You have as much a claim on a country of your own as my hunting hounds. Probably less as they are at least loyal to me.

4. We will accept peace if they retreat from all our lands and give us 5% of their company. Maybe we should applaud you for finally looking for another solution than a downright confrontation of steel and gunpowder. The counter demand, however, is anything but realistic. You want lands and money where you have no claim on in exchange for nothing. Loosing parties in a war don’t have pay that much to the victors. You know very well I can’t except this but that was your plan all along wasn’t it? I offer you freedom of religion and access to my court in exchange for you to give up this rebellion and acknowledge Us once again as your ruler but you rather have the whole island in disregard of the cost of lives.

We’ve lost all hope for a peaceful ending to this drama but will embraced it nonetheless should it happen against all odds.

King Gerald I
Of the house of FitzGerald,
Rí na hÉireann
By grace of God

[Baby Boomer]

I am going to be away for a while so the deadline is once again extended to the: 30th. Good speech Peasant Phill! Also, the HR Emperor is certian now; but won't be offical 'till CHapter VI!

[Tiberius of the Drake]

before you go please answer my pm .

[Caius]

Its just me or all the messengers did not give me any message?

[Baby Boomer]

A Open Declaration from the State of Anglican Ireland:

We, the true Irish Anglican followers are quite insulted by the accusations which are needlessly being thrown around by our brother kingdom.

These rebels gladly accepted foreign help instead of looking for a more permanent solution

Foreign help; we have received no foreign help to date; something we are offended by. The only reason we sought such a thing is because our warlike neighbour is quite intent on conquering such peaceful people. We have been starved; you have not seen us crusade forth from our strongholds to defeat people of diffrent faith.

The lands that you claim include Kildare, our birthright and the lands of ten generations of my ancestors the house of FitzGerald. How long have you and your people been on that land?

We and our people; let us remind you we are Irish as well. We still argue that this land is now OUR right; the people are Anglican and are happy before invasions swept our country into a foreign state of panic.

The King of England, the only other lord with a claim to Irish Island, publicly accepted me as King of the whole of Ireland. You can’t deny my rule over the lands that you reside in.

I have heard no confessions from any King regarding this uncivil situation. As regarding the King of England; there are two of them; which do you hear by?

King FitzGerald; I propose such a treaty. Before it is signed though I wish for the Head of Anglican Church and King of Scotland to sign to it as well.

The Treaty of the Irish Civil War
Phrase I:All Catholic Armies will retreat from the lands of the State of Anglican Ireland, and call back thou navies.
Phrase II: Anglican Ireland shall pay a fee of 2% of their Company ever year.
Phrase III:Anglican Ireland and Catholic Ireland shall enter into a Military Alliance and never fight each other for some 10 Years. THe Military Alliance involes helping each other in times of war and peace.

Signed by,


If agreed upon we may sign it, if the King of Scotland, Catholic Ireland and the Head of the Anglican Church all agree with it so. If King FitzGerald, King Henry of Scotland or King Henry of London which of any changes, please make so and we will consider so.

[Caius]

Reply to King Gerald I, King of the Irish people.

I am personally pleased that a nation like yours have an interesting dream such as our dream is. We are happy to know that we are fighting for peace, despite the fact that we are forced to use tactics of war.

We intended to propagate our claim of Eastern France to be a part of Western France to call this sir to negociations. He must be hiding in the Republique of Corso in this moment. The destinity of Eastern France is not known for them, they must be praying God to help they. When a leader leaves his followers, he is betraying his own people. I suppose that there can be internal conflicts if this situation follows.

We want to help. This sir failed to say a word. Now, he does not governate Eastern Europe anymore. Eastern Europe has fallen to dust. We won't eliminate people who lived there to keep peace. We will try to make them honest people that work for the health of France, health that has been damaged by the civil war and the poison of the governors who failed to show up.

If Ireland needs soldiers, we will be pleased to send them. If Ireland need supplies, we will be pleased to send them. We are pleased to help a friend in harsh times.

May God enlighten our nations and your people.

King Francis I,
King of France.