Client Rulers

[marek]

Hi everybody -

First I'd like to say that EB is an amazing accomplishment and I am very thankful that I stumbled upon this great game.

Second, I have a couple of questions regarding client rulers:

1) If I want to get rid of a client ruler, how do I do it? I tried destroying the type IV government and replacing it with a different one but it didn't work. Is it possible?

2) What happens when a client ruler dies? Does he respawn or do I need to create a new type IV government?

Thanks a lot!

[anubis88]

1) i dunno if you can
2) when he dies he dies... no one else will apear. When this happens to me i just destroy the type IV goverment an create it again... Then a new ruler is spawned

[marek]

1) i dunno if you can
2) when he dies he dies... no one else will apear. When this happens to me i just destroy the type IV goverment an create it again... Then a new ruler is spawned

Thanks for the response -
Do you find it better to have a type IV government if you don't have an available governor, or is it sometimes better to just have a city without any governor at all?

[Callicles]

It depends on your financial and military situation. If you are under threat of war, sometimes it is better to have the Governor there to serve as general of the garrison. But if you are low on cash, his salary can really eat up the treasury.

I'm using a lot of client rulers in my current campaign because I only have 2 family members, and one leads the army.

[konny]

I had used a lot of client rulers in my first EB 1.0 campaign, but hardly use them anymore. They are really a help in the first years when your family is small and you need the FMs as heavy infantry or cavalry. But later they become more of a burden than a help because of the salery (different to your own bodyguards, you always have to pay upkeep for the client rulers' household troops - and that's always a first class unit).

Another point is that you cannot replace him even if he turns out to be useless. And last but not least, he is "blocking" a city where your young governors might develop.

I now only use them in outlying regions that I didn't wanted to conquer (for example, took because it was the last settlement of a faction I was at war with) or sometimes for roleplaying reasons in well developed cities of a different culture.

I'm using a lot of client rulers in my current campaign because I only have 2 family members, and one leads the army.

How had that happend? The plague? The Celts?

[Morte66]

A sufficiently good assassin ought to remove him...

[Callicles]

How had that happend? The plague? The Celts?

No. A combination of poor planning, a lot of horse archers, a few Armenians, and a crafty Seleucid general who also was an Armenian.

Let's just say that we are enjoying our new home on the cold side of the Black Sea.

[sanitarium]

Cities on the interior of my empire I like client rulers, but I hate them for cities on the frontier (in other words, cities likely to be attacked). Their movement penalty makes it impossible to sally out, even with the supposed fix (for me at least, the fix doesn't work). If I have a client ruler in a city that gets attention by the enemy, I suicide them if I get the chance.

[quackingduck]

so once your client ruler is there with your lev 4 gov't, there's no way to go back until your client leader dies??

[sanitarium]

Well, you can get rid of the level 4 government, but he'll still be there. What you can do is remove the government and put in another, that way if you put a FM in the city he won't receive the interloper trait (I'm pretty sure, anyways).