Funny realization occured...

[Mouzafphaerre]

One other thing about Helms Deep battle - in the book Legolas say sth like:
"If a hundred of my fellow elves were here, we will shot them all".

In movie you have at least 300 elves....

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In reality the book no Elf support arrives in Helm's Deep. It simply can't happen because both Lothlórien and Mirkwood/Dale are under attack at that time.

After reading the books, I can no longer stand watching the movies; and whenever I see a bunch of idiots petitioning for PJ to rape film The Hobbit I want to feed them to werewolves.

The worst thing about the movies is...well, maybe the best thing...hell, I dunno! They made me wonder what the hell this Tolkien craze in the net was about and read the books. Now I'm a Middle-earth nerd beyond the hope of recovery.
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[Pharnakes]

I hate hiow people always boast, good and bad.

And then it aways goes wrong. WHat do you expect if you take half an hour to tell your enemy your secrets?

Morons. Imbeciles. Guilble idiots.

[J.Alco]

IMO the only film that comes close to representing realistic historic combat is Alexander (not a great film, I know, but the battle scenes are masterpieces).

And I agree, with Narnia, the kid (what was his name?) in charge of the army could have done it SO much better. For god's sake man! You've got rocky terrain behind you and a cliff at your back! You wanna neutralize superior numbers look no further you douchebag!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.

Now I had been in charge, there woulda been some changes in that army I can tell ya!

[tapanojum]

IMO the only film that comes close to representing realistic historic combat is Alexander (not a great film, I know, but the battle scenes are masterpieces).

And I agree, with Narnia, the kid (what was his name?) in charge of the army could have done it SO much better. For god's sake man! You've got rocky terrain behind you and a cliff at your back! You wanna neutralize superior numbers look no further you douchebag!

Sorry, had to get that out of my system.

Now I had been in charge, there woulda been some changes in that army I can tell ya!

He had Gryphon's carrying freaking boulders and dropping them on the army....pinpoint and mobile siege . Imagine if he fought inside the valley where the enemy is funneled into, and massed together and THEN dropping those boulders..

...stupid lil kid

[Vasiliyi]

Lol, I got the same problem but its not really movies, its more my brother... He's a horrible tactition! Absoliutly horrible.. And he prefers to play rtw bi! Wow, ok here's an example of his "ignorance" he is fighting about 6 units of limitasae, and he has about 15 units of levy spearmen, and the rest extremely good horse archers! (His battle difficulty was on easy) the limitasae routed about 1000 of his troops, before he was able to rout them! Ignorance. Trust me guys, it would have been an extrmely easy battle to win. Any others suffer siblilng stupidity?

[Moosemanmoo]

Any others suffer siblilng stupidity?

More of sibling non interest, my brother couln't care less and my sister plays the sims, which actually I would count as stupidity


seriously guys, whats the point of a non violent computer game

[Hooahguy]

...to satisfly their simple minds......
what other reason is there?

[Tellos Athenaios]

More of sibling non interest, my brother couln't care less and my sister plays the sims, which actually I would count as stupidity


seriously guys, whats the point of a non violent computer game

As with any game: to enjoy. I suppose. My sister plays the Sims as well, and the only urge I feel when I see her is to say: "that's not even close to being realistic". I mean ever noticed those 'models'?

Actually my sister did play EB 0.74. for a while as Baktria... she was always a bit nervous about the battles with the AS, though.

[Moosemanmoo]

I'll only ever play the sims if I can find a mod that will allow me to hire some naked celtic maniacs and massacre people

[antisocialmunky]

I'm not sure aobut the massacre people, but a couple naked celtic maniacs doing some unspeakable things is (quite) doable.

[Moosemanmoo]

just as good

[tapanojum]

More of sibling non interest, my brother couln't care less and my sister plays the sims, which actually I would count as stupidity


seriously guys, whats the point of a non violent computer game

The Sims is a strange game to play..you are living out other peoples lives because your own is too boring or pathetic? I never understood the whole point of living other peoples lives..

[wumpus]

...I was just watching Narnia (Old and Childish movie yes), and at the end there is this "big" battle. ...

Then it hit me... TOO MUCH EB FOR ME! I'm having these thoughts during a freaking children's movie..haha

anyone had a similar experience?
The kid sucks as a commander btw haha

Yes, this thing happens in many--too many, if you ask me--movies. And TV shows. It really bugs me to watch the armies of splendiferous heroes, supposedly intelligent commanders and all that--then to simply rush in a mad frontal assault and melee like drunken oafs in a brawl. (What? no double envelopment? no attacks in echelon? not even "softening up" with missiles before ordering the charge?) I call you lucky: you realized this silly experience while watching a show for kiddies--what about in a show that's dead serious about a presentation for adult consumption?
(And I've just began doing EB 2 days ago...I was doing vanilla RTW a long time before then.)

[Boyar Son]

I never figured out why Aragorn ordered a charge after one volley once the orcs broke through the walls in Helms Deep.

Idiot, just keep firing until all the arrows are gone

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well they DO need to block them from getting most of their forces into the breach.

but what he'd charge against? pikeorcs? if so pretty dumb and ya should've had spearman there to engage...

[Tellos Athenaios]

The Sims is a strange game to play..you are living out other peoples lives because your own is too boring or pathetic? I never understood the whole point of living other peoples lives..

Dollhouse.

[antisocialmunky]

well they DO need to block them from getting most of their forces into the breach.

but what he'd charge against? pikeorcs? if so pretty dumb and ya should've had spearman there to engage...

Return of the King made me laugh since the only things that died faster than Orcs were those Gondorians running around in their crazy heavy armor lol. I kept wanting to see them form a pike phalanx when Grond bashed through the gate since they had big shields and pikes but no...

Also would like to see movie armor that WORKS IN THE MOVIE. If you ever watched Troy in an intellegent way(which is probably the last time you're ever going to watch that thing), you know what I mean.

> Yes, bronze swords will go cleanly through leather and metal scale. <



Probably my favorite movie battle is the "Fall of Carthage" from Gladiator since how they defeated the charioteers made sense and was entertaining and Joaquin Phoenix made a funny face.

[tapanojum]

Probably my favorite movie battle is the "Fall of Carthage" from Gladiator since how they defeated the charioteers made sense and was entertaining and Joaquin Phoenix made a funny face.

Yes! I loved that part!

[Rodion Romanovich]

Agreed, and it was also a demonstration that semi-realistic tactics can be combined with the climactic/epic emotional aspect the producers use as an excuse for screwing up battles in all other contexts.

Some good comments in here, especially the charge from the circle in LoTR3, and the part about Windtalkers made me laugh for several minutes! And the comment about battles looking like messy pub fighting

Some older movies had a lot more interesting battle scenes IIRC, basically look for stuff made between 1920 and 1965... IIRC Ivanhoe is quite good, for example. Some Alistair Maclean movies are also pretty nice. As for newer war movies, the Thin Red Line is probably the most realistic one I've seen. KoH had one good battle scene, and that was the big suicide charge (not even an idiot can make very unrealistic choreography for a suicide charge, since the very point is that they give up all attempts of using tactics), apart from that it was pretty crappy battles.

[antisocialmunky]

Agreed, and it was also a demonstration that semi-realistic tactics can be combined with the climactic/epic emotional aspect the producers use as an excuse for screwing up battles in all other contexts.

Some good comments in here, especially the charge from the circle in LoTR3, and the part about Windtalkers made me laugh for several minutes! And the comment about battles looking like messy pub fighting

Some older movies had a lot more interesting battle scenes IIRC, basically look for stuff made between 1920 and 1965... IIRC Ivanhoe is quite good, for example. Some Alistair Maclean movies are also pretty nice. As for newer war movies, the Thin Red Line is probably the most realistic one I've seen. KoH had one good battle scene, and that was the big suicide charge (not even an idiot can make very unrealistic choreography for a suicide charge, since the very point is that they give up all attempts of using tactics), apart from that it was pretty crappy battles.

I've always heard that one of the things the knightly orders did was to charge into impossible odds against Arab cavalry since it did somehow work enough to warrant it.

Though, one interesting thing that was pointed out in the commentary was how the writing team thought up a way of figuring out when to fire siege weapons by having guys go out and mark the average range of their various weapons.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I watched it a few days ago and I was surprised. I thought it would be utter crap but it was quite good. I wasn't toooooo emotive and the siege battle really pleased me. The only thing I didn't understand was how could the knights from Jerusalem visit the fallen Templars and go back to the city immediately, whereas Saladin and his troops "would need four or five days"? And what happened to Saladin's sister?

The utmost crap regarding historical correctness I've ever seen is King Arthur.

[antisocialmunky]

And what happened to Saladin's sister?

The utmost crap regarding historical correctness I've ever seen is King Arthur.

No one knows and no one is telling.

[gosam]

I hate hiow people always boast, good and bad.

And then it aways goes wrong. WHat do you expect if you take half an hour to tell your enemy your secrets?

Morons. Imbeciles. Guilble idiots.

http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

[Lysander13]

The utmost crap regarding historical correctness I've ever seen is King Arthur.

You were watching the movie with the wrong frame of mind. You were only suppose to pay close attention when Keira Knightley was on the screen.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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[fatsweets]

People,

Has anyone seen the movie "Braveheart" from 1995, I find it very hard to believe out of all the answers in this post regarding war movies, no one mentioned this movie. If you want to cry seeing a movie this is the movie you should see. Realistic medieval battles, betrayal, torture, if this is the stuff you like this is the movie for you. Fully recommend and I'm sorry if this got a little off topic. By the way didn't shed a tear till the last 20 minutes. A must see for all war movie buffs.

[Beefy187]

You were watching the movie with the wrong frame of mind. You were only suppose to pay close attention when Keira Knightley was on the screen.

Only until she goes around naked screaming and swinging knife that is... Then you pay extra close attention

Its bit new but I hate watching Russians fighting in WW2. For example the movie "Enemy at the gates" Yea just make the poor Russians charge against the machinegun and expect them not to run away.

[J.Alco]

People,

Has anyone seen the movie "Braveheart" from 1995, I find it very hard to believe out of all the answers in this post regarding war movies, no one mentioned this movie. If you want to cry seeing a movie this is the movie you should see. Realistic medieval battles, betrayal, torture, if this is the stuff you like this is the movie for you. Fully recommend and I'm sorry if this got a little off topic. By the way didn't shed a tear till the last 20 minutes. A must see for all war movie buffs.

This is gonna sound rude, so I apologise in advance. The only reason I would cry at watching Braveheart was simply at just how ABSOLUTELY STUPID AND WRONG IT WAS!!

Realistic medieval battles? Seriously?? I mean, are you really serious??? It's about as realistic as M2TW! (and that was WORSE than RTW Vanilla in terms of realism!), or as realistic as those History Channel docs that have Roman soldiers using the same bloody dress (Lorica segmentata) all the way from the founding of the Republic to the fall of Rome in 400-something AD.

Let's not even get started on the utterly phony sentimentalistic garbage spouted out regularly throughout which deals on and on and on with the vague concepts of 'love' and 'freedom' which, of course, ignore Wallace's true motivations and ideals and serves mainly to give a character who lived in the 14th century 21st (well allright, 20th) century attitudes and values, which is of course utter trash.

And NOT ONE of the battles/seiges that occur in the movie went the way they were portrayed in real life.

I could go on and on, of course, but then a bloody book the thickness of LOTR (all 3 books combined) could be written about Braveheart's historical innacuracies (which, BTW, if there's one out there I'd love to buy it).

Sorry about that, but after nearly 2 years of studying Scottish History, any mention of Braveheart, now that I know about how the real events transpired, pisses me off. Again, sorry for probably coming off rude.

...god I HAVE been playing too much EB...

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I'd like to add that the movie does have its saving graces. Namely its actors, who do an all-round good job, with Mel Gibson in particular deserving praise for playing his role with some humour, especially in the early scenes, which was refreshing. Of course, kudos must go to the guy (I forget his name) who was Edward Longshanks, as he made a really, really good villain who, surprisingly, seems to hate brown-nosers (if you're not convinced, keep in mind that he DOES toss a guy out of a window for being overly flattering. Oh, and being gay too)

[Sakkura]

Oh, Braveheart. Yeah that thing is just silly. They are running around in kilts all the time, which makes no sense. The princess, who in the movie falls in love with Wallace and all that, was ten years old when he died. The battle of Stirling is curiously missing a bridge and river. As most RTW players will know, bridges tend to have a major impact on battles, and Stirling was certainly no exception.

[Lysander13]

Only until she goes around naked screaming and swinging knife that is... Then you pay extra close attention

Exactly...Watching her run around with nothing but paint on basically...They could have switched the Merlin character with Gandalf for all i cared....

[fatsweets]

This is gonna sound rude, so I apologise in advance. The only reason I would cry at watching Braveheart was simply at just how ABSOLUTELY STUPID AND WRONG IT WAS!!

Realistic medieval battles? Seriously?? I mean, are you really serious??? It's about as realistic as M2TW! (and that was WORSE than RTW Vanilla in terms of realism!), or as realistic as those History Channel docs that have Roman soldiers using the same bloody dress (Lorica segmentata) all the way from the founding of the Republic to the fall of Rome in 400-something AD.

Let's not even get started on the utterly phony sentimentalistic garbage spouted out regularly throughout which deals on and on and on with the vague concepts of 'love' and 'freedom' which, of course, ignore Wallace's true motivations and ideals and serves mainly to give a character who lived in the 14th century 21st (well allright, 20th) century attitudes and values, which is of course utter trash.

And NOT ONE of the battles/seiges that occur in the movie went the way they were portrayed in real life.

I could go on and on, of course, but then a bloody book the thickness of LOTR (all 3 books combined) could be written about Braveheart's historical innacuracies (which, BTW, if there's one out there I'd love to buy it).

Sorry about that, but after nearly 2 years of studying Scottish History, any mention of Braveheart, now that I know about how the real events transpired, pisses me off. Again, sorry for probably coming off rude.

...god I HAVE been playing too much EB...

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I'd like to add that the movie does have its saving graces. Namely its actors, who do an all-round good job, with Mel Gibson in particular deserving praise for playing his role with some humour, especially in the early scenes, which was refreshing. Of course, kudos must go to the guy (I forget his name) who was Edward Longshanks, as he made a really, really good villain who, surprisingly, seems to hate brown-nosers (if you're not convinced, keep in mind that he DOES toss a guy out of a window for being overly flattering. Oh, and being gay too)

Maybe "realistic" isn't the best term I could have used, probably intense would have been better. But as far as movies go it was good and is there any war movie out there that is 100% accurate, if so I would like to know? and by the way no offense taken.