Alexander-an Albanian?

[Moosemanmoo]

http://vidsearch.myspace.com/index.c...ideoid=7359639


I'm actually stunned by the lack of intelligence in this argument, either this is one patriotic dumbass with false beliefs, or a secret genuis, decide for yourself


I almost brought myself to flame, just couldn't really be bothered to
try and educate these people, would be a waste of time.

[Cyclops]

I think Alexander's mother and father would have called themselves hellenes. Olympias was from the country of Achilles and Hellen from whom the Hellenes get their name, so you can't be more Hellenic than that. Phillip claimed descent from Argive heraclids, and spent time as a youth in Thebes, a hostage among the sacred band, so he was definitely "greek" after that.

As for his DNA, we're all mongrels, and I have no doubt the blood of Macedonian pikemen and companions flows in the veins of people in Tirana, Skopje and Thessalonika. Herodotus mentions every second city in Greece was founded by a Phoenician or an Egyptian or a Lydian etc so many Hellenes admitted their mixed ancestry. The Athenians he described as descended from the Pelsagians, who are often claimed as the pre-Greek autocthones.

Hellenism was a cultural identity and does not serve nationalism well. However claiming Alexander for one narrow modern group is a sad joke.

I think if you revived Alexander today somehow, and found a language he could understand, and you asked him his identity, he'd probably slap you to your knees and say "I am a god, and Great King of Persia".

Funny you never hear the Iranians claim him as one of theirs, but thats what he wanted to be.

[Hax]

Who cares?

"To me every good Barbarian is a Greek, and every bad Greek a barbarian"

[Long lost Caesar]

I think if you revived Alexander today somehow, and found a language he could understand, and you asked him his identity, he'd probably slap you to your knees and say "I am a god, and Great King of Persia".

Definitely what he'd say. Caesar would be right behind him with a back hand ready.

[russia almighty]

They wouldn't be back handing if I introduced there knee caps to my Glock-30 .



Remember kids whether if they come from the past ,future or from another planet ; if there hostile let your gat do the talking .

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Balkans are the playground of the ultra-nonsensical nationalism Olympiads by Albanian, Slavic and Greek fanatics. In the process, not only knowledge, including historical, but the whole land is wasted.
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[russia almighty]

Well that kinda happens when everyone and there mother has had at least one successful invasion into the region in the last 200 years .

NATO bombed the shit out of Serbia , the Russian's had there fun , the German's twice pillaged through , hell the Italian's even had one attempt.

[Urnamma]

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Balkans are the playground of the ultra-nonsensical nationalism Olympiads by Albanian, Slavic and Greek fanatics. In the process, not only knowledge, including historical, but the whole land is wasted.
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Agreed.

[Sakkura]

This whole pastime of boosting your national ego with some hero from centuries or millennia ago doesn't really make much sense to me. "Yay, my country had a great general 2300+ years ago, now it doesn't matter if we have civil wars and ethnic rioting, or if our kids have to cross mine fields on their way to school!"

[Moosemanmoo]

Caesar was chinese

I have proof, I just dont want to show you

[M to the A]

Common you guys, you don't believe Alexander was an Albanian? This Albanian 'historicus' will explain what's up: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=f60v-nsHfnY I wonder if they teach this in Albanian schools?

[cmacq]

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Balkans are the playground of the ultra-nonsensical nationalism Olympiads by Albanian, Slavic and Greek fanatics. In the process, not only knowledge, including historical, but the whole land is wasted.
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I don't judge, cause...
thats just how I am, I just don't judge, but...

Amen Mouzafphaerre.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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I'm not judging actually, but pitying, sympathizing etc. But I see your point, I think.
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[Sarkiss]

reminded me of an effort by nowadays Azerbaijan which claim its decendance from Atropatene, Caucasian Albania...

[Horst Nordfink]

Well, that was some poorly thought out nonsense.

[Maksimus]

This is a political issue - it should not be on this forum, Albania claims pretensions on Greek land's by these kind of nonsenses for years now

[cmacq]

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I'm not judging actually, but pitying, sympathizing etc. But I see your point, I think.
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Actually, this is a sick joke of mine. In truth, I don't think you could find a more judgmental person than me. Please don't get me started. Political issue, please. I see chunks of issues way bigger than these in my loo every morning. And...

Mouzafphaerre, I agree with you 900 %, if of course, its a judgment?

Overwise, I'm far too pragmatic to give a care.

[Thaatu]

The issue in my mind is that you can't backtrace geneology this way. Alexander lived before the Albanians, so it's impossible to say he was one. It could work the other way around, with Albanians claiming to be descendents of Alex, but there's a slight problem with that...

Thank god we Finns have no excuses for our lack of heritage.

[cmacq]

Genealogy...

now there's a fine word for you?

γενεα-λόγος

Family knowledge?

I know all my family, and I can't stand most of them. Holidays are always a hoot. Hell, for the ones I don't know or those that came before my time, there's even a book. I think it was compiled in the 1920's, it’s thicker than the bible, and has all their names and what they did. I think, there was something like... I can’t remember. Something over 50 or 70 generations on the Scot side and I believe more than 60 or 80 on the English? And, by English, no offence, but I use that term somewhat loosely.

At the early end of both, we've several different versions. Just pick whichever you like the most, as I always say. One for the Scots includes an Adam, an Eve, maybe an Egyptian princess, possibly some ancient Iberian royals, several of what the early Irish christians called Lairds and Ladies, several kings of Alba (not Albania), princes and nobles of Del Raida, and by a not so simple twist of fate a Thor, several AS Wessex and Ingland kings and their Kentish princesses, as well as a random Trojan prince tossed in for good measure; but by all means no Albanian-Alexander.

Even still, my very strange sounding surname is Scottish, yet is derived from an early Greek root that means 'to prance like a horse?'

School kids can be so cruel, still It helps to have a dry sense of humor?


Again, I don't judge.

except...
when I think about it?

[tapanojum]

His evidence and conclusions had absolutely NOTHING to do with each other, I was watching the video and laughing/dying on the inside. I ended up leaving this comment since my teenage butt of course has a myspace account.

"This video has "Evidence" and conclusions that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. You are saying things along the lines of...

"Bob only drives Beamers, therefore this can only conclude that Bob is German."



What an entertaining video."

By the way, that second youtube video..the guy sounds like freaking Borat foreal.. I thought it was a joke at first.

[Horst Nordfink]

I sit in my ivory tower, judging all day long. It's fun.

[Geoffrey S]

reminded me of an effort by nowadays Azerbaijan which claim its decendance from Atropatene, Caucasian Albania...

Kinda curious, but are you Armenian?

[tapanojum]

Kinda curious, but are you Armenian?

I believe he is as am I.

[The Internet]

I suppose when thats all you have to hang onto that is good, then you get pretty fanatical about it. Perhaps they should worry more about the mines and rioting than a greek general from a couple milenia ago.

[Sarkiss]

Kinda curious, but are you Armenian?

yes.

[keravnos]

According to quite possibly the greatest historian on Macedonia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._G._L._Hammond

and even better,
http://p082.ezboard.com/Obituary-of-...picID=62.topic

Epeirotes were a native people(called by archaeologists "Porodin" group) who were hellenized by the Makedonians( part of "Kurgan" group [called that way because of the tombs they built]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_culture

who migrated to the area from present day Ukraine around 3000 BC), then the "Porodin" group occupied present day Albania, then they expanded into present day Epeiros, under attack by present day Albanians (then Illyrians-another "Kurgan" group) who lived in present day Serbia. Hence the fact that the NW dorian dialect spoken by Epeirotes and Makedonians, especially in the border regions between them, was basically the same.

This people living in close knit family groups expanded from present day western Makedonia (the other entity is FYROM- ) to Epeiros to present South Albania. Pyrrhos was hailed as the first King of Epeiros for being able to unite all the Epeirote tribes under one leader.

And a special "Mewy Cwistmas" note to all who thinks that us Northern Greeks (epeirotes-makedonians) never were...

How would you call someone who wasn't satisfied in their own identity and would desperately need another identity to satisfy his urges, even go so far as to steal/slander another one? Or villify a "classical schollar", a SpecOps soldier (Special Operations Executive (SOE) in occupied Greece during the second world war) who just also happened to be a member of the British Academy. They went one up. They claimed he changed his mind or like any populist took his words out of context and twisted them to make them suit their intentions.

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/An...a/hammond.html

just a question to those people. Why would someone who "wasn't greek" spread the greek civilisation and culture to the whole world basically, reaching as far as India? Why didn't he spoke that slav dialect that FYROMians do today? Would it be possible that this dialect along with the rest of the slav population wouldn't exist in this region for another 1000 years?

If the Makedonian people weren't greek then why were the cities they founded greek, or every kind of monument found in them written in greek?

If I were a FYROMian, I would be proud in my own people's accomplishments, not go out trying to find a neighbours' to steal. I would be ashamed to. If I were an Albanian, the same thing would apply.

[cmacq]

Mouzafphaerre...

remind me again, what was your post?

[tapanojum]

Kervanos, to answer your question

"If the Makedonian people weren't greek then why were the cities they founded greek, or every kind of monument found in them written in greek?"

Philip II envied the Greek culture and did not wish to conquer it, but became part of it. One of the reasons he did not sack Athens like he did to Thebes but allow them to become an ally, unharmed and independent to a degree. Philip absorbed Greek culture

[Vorian]

Kervanos, to answer your question

"If the Makedonian people weren't greek then why were the cities they founded greek, or every kind of monument found in them written in greek?"

Philip II envied the Greek culture and did not wish to conquer it, but became part of it. One of the reasons he did not sack Athens like he did to Thebes but allow them to become an ally, unharmed and independent to a degree. Philip absorbed Greek culture

Philip adhored and loved Attic not Greek culture.

[cmacq]

A question or a rant?