Factions you miss the most

[Hooahguy]

all the EB factions, especially Baktria!
i miss EB already....... my computer is down and i dont know if it will work again......

[Pharnakes]

Dump the romans, and create a shadow faction for Pontus, just in case anyone ever feels bored....

[Ludens]

Dump the worthless Casse to create a shadow faction [for rome]. The Casse are interesting, and I by no means wish to in any form degrade the work that has gone into them, but with the RTW engine I feel that they're a misplaced decision on the balance between gameplay and history.

Except that the Romans were hardly the only ones to suffer a civil war. In fact, they were remarkably stable until Sulla, and their civil wars don't seem to have impeded their expansion that much. Unlike, for example, the successor kingdoms, who had major internal loyalty problems.

[Morte66]

1. A Helleno-Skythian faction in the Crimea. Hoplites and horse archers, plus unique Bosphorian archers, with potential opposition including the Sauromatate, Getai, Pontos, Armenia, Galatians, and the Daidochi. A unique military with a mix of several different military machines to fight. Supremely interesting gameplay that's different from everything else in EB.

2. Syracuse. Classical Greek military between Carthage and Rome, giving them a different mix of opposition from the other Greeks. Starting position is thoroughly viable for a player faction, and they usually outlast Pontos as an AI faction.

3. Massilia. Helleno-Celtic military between Gauls and Romans. Again, would bring gameplay that does not currently exist in EB.

Not Pergamon, who are basically the same as the KH (hoplites fighting Daidochi) and add little to EB.

[Dayve]

I would agree with dumping the Casse. They are fairly pointless. Syracuse would be much more fun to play, or Galatians.

[Boyar Son]

give all northern parts to eleutheroi. As everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.

[Zim]

There may be people living here, but it's darn hard to find a job sometimes, even with a college degree.

I live in Josephine County.

As to the OP, I think it would be neat to have Syracuse in the game, maybe Galatia. THis period of history i not my strongest, though, so I can't say if they or any other factions should be in (assuming more faction slots magically appeared) or not.

As "M to the A" said, its a state that doesn't exist. When someone talks about California, they are really talking about LA and Oregon is entirely run from about three cities in the far northwest, so southern Oregon (where I am) and northern California want to join together and be their own state. Believe it or not, there are people living in that forgotten area between San Francisco,CA and Portland,OR/Seattle,WA. [/RANT]

[blacksnail]

Dump the worthless Casse to create a shadow faction [for rome]. The Casse are interesting, and I by no means wish to in any form degrade the work that has gone into them, but with the RTW engine I feel that they're a misplaced decision on the balance between gameplay and history.

The factions that were released with EB 1.0 are permanent members of EB1 and will not be removed. This is not to say that a minimod couldn't do it, but what you see is what you get for EB1.

Beyond this I believe shadow factions require RTW-BI as a base, which we do not support. EB1 is designed for RTW 1.5.

[blacksnail]

give all northern parts to eleutheroi. As everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.

Funny you should mention that! We plan to do that for EB2. Our new tagline is "Quisque est barbarus nordo alpo," which is roughly "Everyone north of the Alps is a barbarian." This let us consolidate all those Arverni, Aedui, Getai, and Sweboz regions into a single giant province with its capital set to Arse, but to make it really difficult to take we made its defenders a full stack of 3 gold chevron, gold sword, gold armor gestatae.

With the surplus of slots now available, we are also splitting Epeiros and Koinon Hellenon into 15 unique factions to better represent the disparate state of Greek politics in 272 BC. This is because the Europa Barbarorum development team hopes to more accurately represent the Greek world which we have always felt was far and above the most important influence upon Antiquity. To avoid brand confusion between EB1 and EB2 we are considering renaming the new mod to "EH," short for "Europa Hellenorum."

[Senatus Populusque Romanus]

I would like to see

Irish Tribal Faction, One more Independent German Tribe (like Gaul has two major tribes), and Indian faction ( which can be located more east than Saka)

[Boyar Son]

Funny you should mention that! We plan to do that for EB2. Our new tagline is "Quisque est barbarus nordo alpo," which is roughly "Everyone north of the Alps is a barbarian." This let us consolidate all those Arverni, Aedui, Getai, and Sweboz regions into a single giant province with its capital set to Arse, but to make it really difficult to take we made its defenders a full stack of 3 gold chevron, gold sword, gold armor gestatae.

With the surplus of slots now available, we are also splitting Epeiros and Koinon Hellenon into 15 unique factions to better represent the disparate state of Greek politics in 272 BC. This is because the Europa Barbarorum development team hopes to more accurately represent the Greek world which we have always felt was far and above the most important influence upon Antiquity. To avoid brand confusion between EB1 and EB2 we are considering renaming the new mod to "EH," short for "Europa Hellenorum."

Even worse. Give all Greek parts to eleutheroi as everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.

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Even worse. Give all Greek parts to eleutheroi as everyone knows they are unimportant and just sat around and be destroyed by the Romans.

All barbarian, Greek, Carthaginian, and some of the Eastern factions should be changed to Eleutheroi because they were conquered by the Romans. And with those pointless countries removed we could then make every Roman city into a separate faction

[Calypze]

Remove the Lusotani and add the Bastarnae, a mix of Sarmatian, Germanic and Celtic cultures.

The Lusotani were just an Iberian tribe (or group of tribes?) that eventually were conquered by the Romans and quite throughly Romanized.

[svramj]

Mauryan Empire of course

[Cadwalader]

Norway, Iceland and the Sami.

[CirdanDharix]

Pergamon, Herakleia Pontika, Kappadokia.


Obsessed with Asia Minor, me? No way!!!

Okay, so what about Pergamon, the Bosporan kingdom, and the Northern League (led by Herakleia Pontika and Byzantion), plus dump the Koinon Hellenon and replace them with just Rhodes. Dumping a faction that rarely ammounts to much in the game, such as the Casse, could also make way for Syracuse. Obviously, you'd need to remove a province (isn't Gotland a one-island province that never gets conquere dby the AI?) to make way for Herakleia Pontika and her territory, and you'd need to cut Pontos off from the sea at game start (unless they already held Amisos? when did they gain this city?).

[Hax]

plus dump the Koinon Hellenon and replace them with just Rhodes.

HERESY!

[CirdanDharix]

HERESY!

Why? the existence of the Chremonidean League is questionable in 272BCE, and in any case it didn't last much more than a decade...Athenian power was definately ended by the defeat, Sparta was dormant for a generation between the death of Akrotatos and the reforms of Agis, but Rhodes remained untouched by, a major naval power and a major trading centre. Rhodes remained important throughout a large part of the period covered, the Chremonidean League didn't. The Northern League would be a much better choice for a league of Greek poleis banding together to defend their freedom, something the Euxinean poleis managed to do with some success, unlike Athens and Sparta.

[Hax]

You are right, of course, about the existence of the Chremonidean league, I believe he issued his decree in 265 BC.

But the same goes for the Satrapies of Baktria and Parthia. People like me like to play with such factions, and 272 was the most balanced date the EB team could pick, even if it doesn't allow historic accuracy. Nor is it historically accurate that Baktria conquered the old Seleukid Empire or that Pyrrhos destroyed the Romans.

Games like EB aren't all about doing everything historical. It's about playing a game, altering world history in a historically accurate way.

[CirdanDharix]

Oh, I agree with you. But why would Pergamon or the Northern poleis be less fun than the KH we have now?

[Beefy187]

Like someone alse said Pergamon would be pretty much like KH. So I doubt that would be a option

Bosphorian how ever would be a nice edition to avoid the sweboz moving east so that would be awesome (Bartix would do fine as well )

I kinda got the idea of Europa barbarorum the west. Focusing more on the west with more nake barbarians while Rome and Carthage possibly with KH and Mak fighting for power in the meditteranian. Everything on east of Byzantium didnt do much anyways.

[Gaius Valerius]

personally i miss the bosphorian kingdom, pergamom and syracuse.

i'm just to big a fan of hellenic factions . imagine the attalids marching down to antioch or the syracusians to rome... sweet stuff.

all factions included now are fine by me, even the casse, though if they really were to drop some -hypothetically, it'd be the casse...

[Cyclops]

I miss the Numidians from RTW and RTR, they were a very intersting tough faction, and gave pain to the Kartis.

They're on my wish list along with an Indian faction (Mauryan Western Governors faction? Sooo sexy) but neither has a great claim ahead of ther many other excellent proposed factions above.

Its is absolutely appropriate that they were dropped, I understand all the balance/realism arguments, but they are the ones I miss.

Its a good point that the scripted Alpine rebs work a treat, so Numidia might be represented the same way (or are they in there already?). I have a sneaking suspicion you could drop Saba for scripted rebs from 99% of players games and no-one would notice for years.

3 more slots? I guess another German/Celtic faction recomends itself first and foremost: its not my favourite area but I can see the sense of it. The map is crying out for it. For balance you might want to make them an eastern or even alpine faction, and swap the Sweboz for a faction a little further west or north (Cimbri? Chatti?).

Skythians or Bosphorans also have a claim as an intermittently active force. They'd offset a Bastarnae faction, but with such a glut in the northern Balkans the heat would be on the Getai to make it through to their historic end date.

The voyeur in me wants to see some more greek states split out of the silver death, but 1 city factions in the mosh pit of Aegean death would add only brief interest. Maybe a second iberian faction, just to add a little chorizo to the western end of the map.

Or we could scap all non-Italian factions for scripted Eleutheroi and set up 20 or so allied Roman families each with a micro city outside Rome. Hot Hastati-on-Hastati action.

[Achilles the last]

No, not the Numidians, the faction that would be interesting to play against are the Huns, Indian, and some Arabians to counter the Saba

[bovi]

You need someone to counter the Saba? I'd say they have those already, look to the west and north...

[Strategos Alexandros]

I didn't think the huns were around in 272 BC

[PershsNhpios]

I would have the Cantabrian Iberians, as four factions in Iberia with Medieval Total War was very interesting, either this or abolish the two Aedui and Arverni, and divide Gaul in partes tres.
Though it would create a violent and strange war, I think having a Thracian faction could be interesting, or a theoretical Hellenic League encompassing Massalia, Syracuse, Chersonesos and Byzantion.. by god that would be a challenge, but a true trading empire.

As an aside, Sassem, it is a terrible mistake to pronounce, "Vici" as vee-see, though you may defend yourself with the rebuttal that it was relevant to your jest.. However this borders on the unforgivable! Simply imagine pronouncing, "Victory", as, "Vistory".

Curse the Hundred Years War!

[antiochus epiphanes]

Numidians, Boii, and the yuezhi.

[Agathyrsus]

1. A Helleno-Skythian faction in the Crimea. Hoplites and horse archers, plus unique Bosphorian archers, with potential opposition including the Sauromatate, Getai, Pontos, Armenia, Galatians, and the Daidochi. A unique military with a mix of several different military machines to fight. Supremely interesting gameplay that's different from everything else in EB.

So like, some poor bastards stuck between thrace and sarmatia? Sounds like living hell. You are a sick... sick person.


And if Northern Cali wants to seperate from LA, take central cali with you please. Sacramento and just.. everything north of san luis. Its generally just LA nobody wants to deal with... although I have my gripes with SF too. Just... give them[LA] to Mexico.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Just to add my opinion;

Numidia: interesting and offset the Kartis

Boii: adds more carnage to Europe. or
Galatia: just for fun.

Another British/germanic tribe could be interesting as well. Pergamom would be good but too similar to other Hellenic factions. Massilia would be interesting as well but they never did anything in real life.