But slow enough that it won't really matter. They were real difficult to kill, only good thing being that once they ran, that's the end of them because they can't outpace my horses. KH hoplites are monsters. They can hold up against the pikes while you flank them with Thureophoroi (I won a battle against practically a fullstack with just two thureophoroi, one gaesatae and 4 lonchophoroi hippeis in oblique order). Pikemen break fast. Unless they're argyraspidai or chaonion of course.