Sweboz EB 1.0 comments

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@Geoffrey S
thank you Geof

I undestood the EB port system and the difficulties with the RTW engine, but still why do you believe a military port for the Sweboz in
the Baltic would fit better than the one on the North Sea, for which I thnk, that I have given undeniebale arguments and even proofed it, where it was possible?
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Now for something else.

I have found grave mistakes of ethnicities in the eastern European part of the EB map. First I will post a link of a scientific book on ancient Germans, which will contain a map showing archeological cultures of the EB timeframe (=LatePreRomanIronAge) of the area. (it's a online study edition)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ds2...l=de#PPA144,M1
translated legend: Europe in the Early Pre-Roman Iron Time: 1. North Group 2. Jastorf culture 3. Pommeranian [Przeworsk] culture 4. West-baltic hilltomb culture 5. Estonian group 6. East-baltics 7. Milogrady culture 8. Harpstedt-Nienburger group 9. Celtic groups 10. Getian and Thracian groups

out of "Reallexikon der germanischen Altertumskunde (2nd ed.)" 1998

So what we have here above is the archeolgical map of the area in the Late Pre-Roman Iron Time (450 B.C. - 0).

As additional evidence I'll also include another map below out of wikipedia which has very slight differences, but showing the same issue, when compared with the current EB map and the possible troops to be recruited in Eastern-Europe!

Legend:
dark green - Nordic group
dark red - Jastorf culture
yellow ochre (left center) - Harpstedt-Nienburg group
bright green (left center) - Houseshaped urn group
orange - Celtic groups
yellow-green - Przeworsk culture
carnation - east-Baltic cultures of forest zone
purple - west-Baltic culture
turquoise - Zarubincy culture
black - Estonic group
bright red - Guben group of Jastorf culture (influenced by Przeworsk culture)
brown - Oksywie culture
taupe (bottom right) - Getaian and Thracian groups
yellow (bottom right) - Poieneşti-Lukaševka culture (influenced by Przeworsk and Jastorf culture)

here the link as proof: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Ar...manIronAge.png

If you compare it with the link of the history online source book from above you will see exactly the same as on this map.
List of errors on EB map:
Carrodunum is the Przeworsk culture, but actualy in EB there are Celts and the Oksywie culture unit available instead of a non-existing East-German Przeworsk culture regional unit, which should be Celtic influenced.
Ascaucalis needs to be the Oskwy culture with the regional Oskwy culture unit instead of Baltic culture and recruiting zone like in current EB 1.0.
Gintaras-Ostan needs to be West-Baltic with the special regional West-Baltic units, instead of having the possibility to recruit all Baltic regional units like in EB 1.0.
Seliun-Pilis needs to be East-Baltic with the special regional East-Baltic units, instead of having the possibility to recruit all Baltic regional units like in EB 1.0.

Then there is the "special building" (don't know how you modders call this building type) "Limios Alses" in Gawjam~Silengoz: the description mentions Proto-Slavic tribes in direkt link with it and Silesia, which is absolutely unhistoric and absurd, since the Slavs came very much later, about more than 300 years after the end of EB timeframe into that area. There were no Slavs at all that much western like Silesia is situated in the Pre-Roman Iron Age. Just check the archeological culture maps from above: Gawjam~Silengoz would be the mix-zone of Jastorf and Przeworsk (Pommeranian in the link to the book) culture.
The same with the Oksywie culture unit, which also mentions Slavs in the description. Look again on the map where Oksywie culture is situated and tell me again why one should mention Slavs in the description? By the way Oksywie culture is absorbed into Wielbark culture (Goths) around 100 A.D.

The problem I have with these descriptions is that, since 19th and early 20th century mainly Polish nationalistic "historians" tried to fake an early slavic presence in the area, which has been neglected ever since by serious historians and humane discipline/arts and I would not like EB to repeat such comepletely unhistoric statements. The area was Celtic first, then in the Pre-Roman Iron Age time, which EB portraits, the ancient Germans came (= later eastern German tribes) and after most of those had left duing the Migration Period the Slavs settled there, coming from the east.

Now one last map to illustrate it, also out of Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:G...0BC-1AD%29.png

Legend copied from Wikipedia: The expansion of the Germanic tribes 750 BC – AD 1 (after the Penguin Atlas of World History 1988):

██ Settlements before 750BC

██ New settlements until 500BC

██ New settlements until 250BC

██ New settlements until AD 1