The Rudest Place in America

[Bijo]

In the U.S. what city, location, etc. has the rudest, most vile, wretched, overall community or society? From what I know it has to be New York City, but perhaps others can shed some darkn light on it.

And while we're at it... what place in the U.S. has the most friendly, nice, peaceful community or society?

[Proletariat]

World of Courtesy: Ranking of 35 Cities
Below is a ranking of the most courteous to the least courteous -- 35 major cities included in RD's Global Courtesy Test. Figures reflect the percentage of people who passed in each city. When multiple cities had identical scores, they are listed in alphabetical order.

New York USA 80%

http://www.rd.com/content/good-manners/2/

Don't believe the hype about New York, it's a very friendly city.

[Lemur]

I have been in much ruder, meaner places than NYC. Try Detroit, or example. Try Gary, Indiana. Seend the night in East St. Louis, if you dare.

New York doesn't even rate among the most rude, evil, dangerous cities in America.

[Geoffrey S]

NYC? I doubt anyone who's been there can claim it's a particularly rude city. It's unique in the sense that everyone seems in a hurry because everything everywhere is so busy, but rather than interpreting that as rude perhaps not adjusting to the circumstances is in fact ruder? I found most people I met there friendly and informative, at worst brusque I had too many questions or the like.

[KukriKhan]

I have been in much ruder, meaner places than NYC. Try Detroit, or example. Try Gary, Indiana. Seend the night in East St. Louis, if you dare.

New York doesn't even rate among the most rude, evil, dangerous cities in America.

I've been to all those places - not so bad, IMO.

Rudest big US city I've visited (as in unhelpful, even hostile, to outsiders of any type): Atlanta, Georgia.

Friendliest big US city: Honolulu, Hawaii. A traveller there can almost get annoyed with how many smiling faces he sees per day.

Full disclosure: it's been 20 years since I've been to those towns.

[Devastatin Dave]

Rudest big US city I've visited (as in unhelpful, even hostile, to outsiders of any type): Atlanta, Georgia.
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Thats because of all the damn yankees thats moved down there, ya jerk!!!

[Veho Nex]

Novato, California... Due to the fact that every here thinks they're better than every one else. just try to cross the street and you'll get run over.

The nicest place

Fairfax, California... Due to the fact 99.9999999% of the population is a bunch of hippies who are constantly high on LSD, pot, cocaine... it goes one

[Devastatin Dave]

I have been in much ruder, meaner places than NYC. Try Detroit, or example. Try Gary, Indiana. Seend the night in East St. Louis, if you dare.

New York doesn't even rate among the most rude, evil, dangerous cities in America.

Actually East St Louis isn't very rude, they hardly say anything to you when they sneak up from behind to murder, rob, or rape you.

[TruePraetorian]

I have been in much ruder, meaner places than NYC. Try Detroit, or example. Try Gary, Indiana. Seend the night in East St. Louis, if you dare.

New York doesn't even rate among the most rude, evil, dangerous cities in America.

Ha, I live in Michigan about 30 miles North of Detroit in a little town called Romeo (it's within Washington Township, but somehow it's its own town) and have been to Detroit regularly, about 7 or 8 times a month. Visit there if you want, it isn't the worst city in the US for nothing...

[Husar]

Very surprising I have to say, you hear about New York's rudeness quite often.

I think generally cities are more forgiving at least, if you get some villagers to hate you, you can just as well move away, in a city it's not as bad as there are many people around and city people are used to meeting a lot of different characters unlike villagers. I'd call that a general trend partly supported by my own experience though I'm not an american obviously.

In that context I also found it surprising to hear that some villages in the southern US are apparently very friendly places.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Very surprising I have to say, you hear about New York's rudeness quite often.

But they have the NYPD :
http://songphon.files.wordpress.com/...e_diehard4.jpg

[Bijo]

http://www.rd.com/content/good-manners/2/

Don't believe the hype about New York, it's a very friendly city.

Well, I'm not much of a believer to start with. It's just that I've been to places there and NYC was one of them. From all the U.S. places I visited NYC was the worst.

Granted, I have not seen it all which is why I said "from what I know..."

In fact, any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc. I ain't just talking they're in a hurry, no: they are plain RUDE and NASTY. The reason for this... I don't know in detail, but the fact stands.

Now, fellow people of the ORG, THAT... is one of the reasons I dislike that country.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Well, I'm not much of a believer to start with. It's just that I've been to places there and NYC was one of them. From all the U.S. places I visited NYC was the worst.

Granted, I have not seen it all which is why I said "from what I know..."

In fact, any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc. I ain't just talking they're in a hurry, no: they are plain RUDE and NASTY. The reason for this... I don't know in detail, but the fact stands.

Now, fellow people of the ORG, THAT... is one of the reasons I dislike that country.

That's a real nice generalization Bijo.......

Explaining that would be kinda nice, and you might want to take into consideration your apparent lack of tolerance. I mean how many other people regularly put up threads just to complain about things that they hate?

I'd have to say NYC isn't that bad. The people are in a rush sure, but do you expect everyone to stop on the street and say "Hi" like in a village or quite country road? No. And if you go to a restaurant, theater, or almost any other normal establishment the people are quite nice, informative and helpful. Oh yeah and there's some great food.

[Bijo]

That's a real nice generalization Bijo.......

Explaining that would be kinda nice, and you might want to take into consideration your apparent lack of tolerance. I mean how many other people regularly put up threads just to complain about things that they hate?

I'd have to say NYC isn't that bad. The people are in a rush sure, but do you expect everyone to stop on the street and say "Hi" like in a village or quite country road? No. And if you go to a restaurant, theater, or almost any other normal establishment the people are quite nice, informative and helpful. Oh yeah and there's some great food.

No, it was not a generalization. I simply said that every place I visited in America was more or less BAD. This experience (among other factors) MADE me dislike the country AND I am not saying that any place in it is like how I described those others. And my lack of tolerance, whether true or false, is irrelevant.

The fact stands and it cannot be negated.

[seireikhaan]

Hmm, can't say personally for rudest. Friendliest? Well, Iowa's pretty friendly for the most part, especially in comparison to other parts of the country I've been to.

[Ser Clegane]

In fact, any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc. I ain't just talking they're in a hurry, no: they are plain RUDE and NASTY. The reason for this... I don't know in detail, but the fact stands.

Hmm ... speak for yourself but don't call it "fact" as it rather seems to be a perception of you than a fact.

My own experience from half a year as an exchange student, a number of visits in the US in various areas since then and the daily interaction with people from the US in my day-to-day work supports none of your points.

When traveling in the US I rather found that in general people in the US were extremely friendly and helpful and the majority of people who spent time in the US made the same experience.

Perhaps you can give some examples of incidents that led to you (IMHO) somewhat unusual view?
Where have you been in the US and for how long?

[Geoffrey S]

In fact, any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc. I ain't just talking they're in a hurry, no: they are plain RUDE and NASTY. The reason for this... I don't know in detail, but the fact stands.

The only fact I see standing is that it's your opinion, and not one many share. Some might even say that your comments here are rather rude and nasty to an awful lot of people from NYC.

[Bijo]

If I visit places and I objectively notice people are rude, is it not a fact that these people in these places are rude? Do you really think I would allow emotion, beliefs, subjectivity, and such for judgment? The fact that they were rude stands.

The only fact I see standing is that it's your opinion, and not one many share. Some might even say that your comments here are rather rude and nasty to an awful lot of people from NYC.

You should know by now I do not like opinions unless they are necessary. And the people who might think I am being rude should know I am not if they remember how I would operate in debates and discussions. I provide the facts and that's it. What you're saying comes close to ad hominem.

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Ser Clegane:
Some examples:
- ignoring when you talk
- looking dirty at you
- cursing you out

I've been there a few months.

[Lemur]

I objectively notice people are rude

How can you objectively declare a phenomenon that is, by definition, subjective? I'm not saying that people weren't rude, I'm just saying that I think you might have to lose your license to use the word "objective" for a while. Felony malapropism!

[Geoffrey S]

If I visit places and I objectively notice people are rude, is it not a fact that these people in these places are rude? Do you really think I would allow emotion, beliefs, subjectivity, and such for judgment? The fact that they were rude stands.

Considering a city, or as you expanded it later a nation, as a whole rude hardly sounds objective to me.

You should know by now I do not like opinions unless they are necessary. And the people who might think I am being rude should know I am not if they remember how I would operate in debates and discussions. I provide the facts and that's it. What you're saying comes close to ad hominem.

Seems like you're having some trouble separating your opinion from fact.

Regardless, I remember quite well how you operate in debates and discussions. Can't say I was particularly impressed. Ad hominem? Sure; by definition one's opinion of another is.

[Geoffrey S]

I say that especially to Geoffrey who still seems to be assuming I applied this fact to the WHOLE nation, while in fact I stated that BECAUSE of the fact AND other unnamed reasons I started disliking the nation, NOT saying that the WHOLE nation is rude, bad, or negative just based on some rude populations I detected. It was a nice twist but ineffective. I give those who performed in it credit for fallacy skill!

In fact, any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc. I ain't just talking they're in a hurry, no: they are plain RUDE and NASTY. The reason for this... I don't know in detail, but the fact stands.

Now, fellow people of the ORG, THAT... is one of the reasons I dislike that country.

Uh-huh. Your 'fact' is that the places you visited were... no, sorry, seemed to be full of rude and nasty people. From which you draw the conclusion that you dislike the US. Maybe it is just me, but I find positing your own opinion of the people you saw/met in the US as fact rather curious. Sure, a fact it may well be that that is your opinion, but what does that mean in any case?

That, and I find the line between you saying that "any place in America I visited seemed to be full of rude, dishonest, manipulative, evil, selfish people regardless of colour, race, class, etc." and actually coming out and replacing "seemed to be" with "is" (which, a little later you do with "they are plain RUDE and NASTY") extremely thin in this case indeed. So I feel justified in finding your opinion quite objectionable.

[Zim]

Since this has gone to a conversation about tourists, I'd like to mention an interesting magazine article I read the other day. They polled members of the hospitality industry in a bunch of different countries and asked them questions about tourists. I was surprised to find that Americans ranked the second best tourists in the world based on criteria like willingness to use the language and how well they dressed, as well as politeness. Going by sterotypes I would never have expected that.

Most of the tourists here in the State's I've met have been fairly nice, although my wife has had bad experiences with Japanese tourists when she worked at a tailor's in California. The me used to snap their fingers at her when they wanted her attention.

I remember an old story I heard/read. Sadly I don't remember it well, so won't be able to tell it well, but I'll try.

A man was traveling and came to a city. He asked one of the locals what the people there were like and was asked in return how he found them in most of the places he'd been. The man said everywhere he'd been people were rude and untelligent. The local said they were the same in the city and he'd probably best move on.

Another man traveled to the city with the same question. When asked about his experiences elsewhere he said the people were always friendly and hospitable. The local said they were the same in the city and welcomed him in.

In my experience traveling in and out of my own country, people generally treat you the way you treat them, and you get as much out of traveling abroad as you expect to.