semi-rebelling?

[Hooahguy]

so in my AAR, i bribed a town (with a governor) and sensing there would be trouble, i cheated a bit and used the process_cq cheat to establish a reasonable level of happiness. when i pressed "end turn", my governor who i bribed, was killed, and the turn after, my garrison was kicked out, but the town was still mine(didnt turn rebel). i was going to put another governor into the town, but i was afraid he would die too. so i deleted the level 3 government which was there and cheated again and put a level 4 government there. a client ruler spawned, and entered the ruler. so all i ask is whats with level 3 governments? why did it kill my governor and kick out the garrison, but was still under my ownership?

[Perturabo]

I seem to have heard of this before, over a year ago iirc. From memory it was something to do with the script and rebel family members. I suspect a search of the historical forums from around mid to late '06 might turn up something.

[Bovarius]

It's your punishment for cheating.
The AI has become so smart that it can even detect cheating and kills your general as payback, because it can't cheat!

[Hooahguy]

well it wasnt MY general......
lol

[Moosemanmoo]

It's something in the script, bribing is not cheating but bribed generals are more often than not killed off before the next turn.

And garrissons are often forced out, no riot took place and the populance seems happy. This even happened to me in vanilla

[Hooahguy]

once i brought it down to a lvl 4 gov, it quieted down. the client ruler even lived...... at least for the past 2 turns.....

[Mediolanicus]

Every time I have ever bribed city or taken an undefended one, my garrison would be expelled the next turn, with or without the city rebelling. Sometime it kills the governor while doing that, but mostly not.
Anyway since I encountered this phenomenon in RTR, in RoP, in Roma Surrectum, in CTW and in EB (yes, I've tried quite a few mods in my time, but now I'm stuck with EB, the greatest of all mods!) I suspect it's a vanilla thing and not a script thing.

I can't remember if I ever encountered it with Vanilla itself though...
I play all my mods with BI, so maybe it's a BI "feature"?

hooahguy do you play EB with or without BI?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Yes, both the death of the general and the expelling of the garrison are a vanilla thing. For some reason, CA hardcoded that bribed generals die the next turn. It was added with some patch (1.5?). Only the bribed guy will die, don't worry about it happening to any real family members. And the expelling of the garrison just happens some times with bribed settlements. It is harmless and won't happen twice. Just move them back in and everything will be fine.

[Hooahguy]

so even if i bribe a army with a general, the gerneral will die? that sux

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

It may be only the generals that are there when the game starts. A randomly spawning general may not die...

[CirdanDharix]

I think it depends on how good the general is, actually. Generals with loads of stars will always die, ones without any good stars/influence/management skill sometimes live.

[overweightninja]

I think it depends on how good the general is, actually. Generals with loads of stars will always die, ones without any good stars/influence/management skill sometimes live.

That's right, they still die most of the time but those with with less skills are more likely to survive. IIRC I recall reading it was implemented to prevent the player cheating to bribe the best AI generals.
Cheers

[Geoffrey S]

I suppose it is more noticeable in EB because enemy generals get a command boost?

[Moosemanmoo]

In my Pontos campaign I bribed the govenor of Sinope, he has lived for 4 years since and has married, can he ever have a child? I'd like to have a persian/greek family line rather than a persian line in a greek kingdom

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

They can have children, but their last name won't be carried over. I'm not sure if their ethnicity traits will work correctly, either (the children may have a different, random ethnicity).

[Moosemanmoo]