Will You Buy a SecuRomed Empire?

**darrin42** · 08-22-2008, 04:00

Also you've hit the nail on the head when you said that this copy protection is designed to stop the "average joe" from making a copy for his mates and is not designed to deter the real software pirates. I find it disappointing though that you can support this kind of software. I take it also that if you had two PCs in your house and wanted to play TW with a friend over the lan using the same copy, that you'd gladly pay twice for this game? To the letter of the law? I hope you don't record radio broadcasts or TV programs either. And if you find Bill Gates' wallet in the street I expect you to hand it back to him with not a moth out of place.

I'm a firm believer in that you should install on your own PC what you want and only that. If a game requires a hidden copy protection program then that protection should be listed in the system requirements as is DirectX, windows version or any platfrom specifics. The fact that these companies can get away with this and that some people still will accept (and sometimes support) it so readily even if they know it's there, is a sign of the times. Sooner or later this software will get more and more invasive and restrictive. The problem with piracy is the wide proliferation of cracked copies over the .net via p2p networks and warez sites and not "average joe" burning a sly copy for his cousin "average john".[/QUOTE]

HERE HERE!!!! Could Not possibly agree More with everything you said there lol.

**Hosakawa Tito** · 08-26-2008, 19:01

As much as I look forward to purchasing and playing ETW...I won't buy it if SecuRom is included. I can't play MTW2 because of SecuRom, getting 'no disc inserted in drive' error message, and there appears to be no patch or fix that corrects this for me. I've ended up with a $50 beer coaster and won't get burned again.

**Discoman** · 08-27-2008, 12:39

That happend with me in Kingdoms, I ended up using the second disc and only then could I play the expansion pack.

**Gray Beard** · 08-27-2008, 13:39

I agree with a poster above.

I would be willing to use some sort of Read-Only, encrypted and thus very difficult yo copy USB Memory stick that does not install anything on my computer but don't want the Securorom on my computer.

**Martok** · 08-28-2008, 03:49

I'd still prefer to see a Stardock-type scheme, in which we just need to enter our disk's serial number in order download patches/updates. That way the copy protection remains non-intrusive, while still rewarding those who own legitimate copies of the game (as pirated versions couldn't receive patches or updates).

**Ferret** · 08-28-2008, 23:25

Originally Posted by Hosakawa Tito

As much as I look forward to purchasing and playing ETW...I won't buy it if SecuRom is included. I can't play MTW2 because of SecuRom, getting 'no disc inserted in drive' error message, and there appears to be no patch or fix that corrects this for me. I've ended up with a $50 beer coaster and won't get burned again.

But M2 doesn't have securom...

Anyway didn't CA say somewhere that they would remove all/part of it due to the public "outcry". I recall reading that somewhere...

**PBI** · 08-29-2008, 00:06

Erm, they said something vague a few months ago along the lines of "we know people don't like Securom, Sega say we have to use something, we're working on something we think people will be happy with". Didn't quite go as far as actually saying it won't be Securom, though I sort of hope that's what it implies.

**Martok** · 08-29-2008, 06:54

Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

But M2 doesn't have securom...

I believe HT has M2TW + Kingdoms.

Originally Posted by Poor Bloody Infantry

Erm, they said something vague a few months ago along the lines of "we know people don't like Securom, Sega say we have to use something, we're working on something we think people will be happy with". Didn't quite go as far as actually saying it won't be Securom, though I sort of hope that's what it implies.

That's my understanding as well. CA said that while Sega requires them to use some sort of copy protection, they're also very aware of how much SecuROM is despised, and were therefore working on an alternate protection scheme.

**Hosakawa Tito** · 08-30-2008, 00:06

I believe HT has M2TW + Kingdoms.

That is correct. MTW2 used to play perfectly for me. However, when I downloaded the Kingdoms expansion that came with that accursed and unannounced SecuROM, my MTW2 discs became a $50 set of beer coasters. Here is my e-mail tag log with their support. Their "expert" analysis conclusion, even though the disc and original game minus the dubious SecuROM played perfectly well on that same optical drive, not their problem.

Are you paying attention CA & Sega??? What amounts to malware has been placed on my pc with no mention of it at time of purchase. And even if one uninstalls the game SecuROM is still on my system. If there isn't a law against this practice of not informing customers of this before they buy or removing such a program when the game is uninstalled than there should be.

Buyer beware....indeed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**RodeoX** · 08-30-2008, 16:54

I set this account up to say NO I will not buy the game if it comes with this kind of malicious code. I love the series and have spent more of my money on total war than any other game. When will the executive set realize that draconian attempts to crackdown on copywright are the ruination of a software product. Ask microsoft about what a good idea it was to go security crazy in an attempt to protect MSword, only to watch OpenOffice undo their work. Or I'm sure the RIAA could give you some tips on how attacking people who enjoy music will make them better customers.
To bad, I was excited to pay for the next installment of the game.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 09-01-2008, 06:51

testing sigs...please delete this post

**caravel** · 09-04-2008, 22:44

"Would you please create a new Windows User Account without Adminstrator Rights? Sometimes this works as it is a different communication interface in this non-administrative mode."

Roughly translated: "our malware circumvents your OS's permissions and does far too much under a limited user account than is allowed. This is so that we can change how your CDROM drives actually work. This of course shouldn't happen under a limited user account so yes our product is malware."