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Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian
Thats a bit confusing. If you let crusaders to take their cities back, that means, you are not against major religions, like Christianity. However, you told that every faction must be destroyed. That includes also any small catholic and muslim factions, which probably live peacefully and never go into jihads or crusades. Maybe they are happy to live the way they do, sharing the same religion, not being rebels and infidels, who each has his own religion?
In that case, you are a tyrant, who uses force to make them live in rebellious way. That doesn't sound like a war for independence.


I am not sure you are articulating what you meant to say very well. Honestly you could have made that a little clearer.

If a people take back cities that were once theirs from invaders, that's only natural. What isnt natural is holding some 500 year grudge. Spain had only recently been invaded by Muslim conquerors, however Jerusalem had been an Arab state for some time. I hope that makes things clearer.

As to another thing you said: A tyrant... who uses force to make them live in a rebellious way...? You mean someone who frees people from the yoke of oppression and grants them the rights of sovereignty, self-governance, and self-determination, as well as religious and personal freedom?

So the medieval kings and sultans who made laws forcing people to convert to a particular faith, obey ridiculous laws under penalty of death, granted no inalienable rights, perpetuated slavery, violence against women, forced bodily mutilation, and mandated conscription into armies to fight against people who had done them no harm, those kings and sultans and so forth were not the dictators and tyrants I claim they are?

I see. It all makes sense now. Those who raise up arms in self defense and fight for human liberty, progress, and freedom from oppression and religious persecution, THOSE are the tyrants, not the mass murderers, rapists, pillagers, exterminators, and brutal dictators themselves.

And spreading an ideology of freedom from hate and oppression and tyranny by liberating people from their vile rulers, that is the same as oppressing them.

Interesting viewpoint. I'm not sure many would agree with that. But high points for originality and creativity.



To put it another way, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment, but this is a forum for debate and I enjoyed reading it.