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    Alexander EB team needs history advices on some issues..

    I will give one example :

    Scythians and Stepe armies fought as it is widely known all around Hellenic world for various masters (for Example - Pontos sometimes used very large numbers of them in it's wars, Athens had scythian archers at it's walls, Makedonia widely used them and not to say AS, Armenia - the same goes for Celts - but not maybe not so common ih the 'East Map' )

    The point is - I dont have time to search many sources to find out most of those facts - But! I know by reading much various documents that in many cases (even much more than we can imagine) armies of Hellenes (and later East Roman Empire and Persia) often had very small % of the 'backbone' ethnicly loyal troops - the best example is Aegyptos under Hellenes but also Roman Empire after 1051 (after first 'feudal' emperor that made a rule that enable nobles to almost altimes just pay their 'military service' to the Constantinopolis that would later recruit barbarians - which led to catastrophic defeat in 1071 when barb army just 'fled'.. and which led to colaps of the Empire.. )

    What I am asking is this - I would like simple answers, What 'other' 'foreign' armies were used in large quantitate outside their homeland as regular military in many cases? By this I count that 'rich' factions 'only' could have the ability to pay that

    1 - Koinon Hellenon? (Scythians? Celts?)
    2 - Epeiros? (Celts? Illyrians? Scythians? Romans?)
    3 - Romanoi? (?)
    4 - Makedonia? (Scythians? Celts?)
    5 - AS? (Scythians? Indians?)
    6 - Aegypt? (Africans? Scythians? Celts?)
    7 - Carthage? (?)
    8 - Celts? (?)
    9 - Baktria? (Indians? Stepe?)

    Anyway, this is ment for me to know 'how' to tweak the 'Mercs*txt' if some armies were widely used in the ethnic regions that have non of mers units available as recruitable by 'vanilla' EB.. also to tweak starting armies (like, scythian archers were use even in some very 'far away lands'..)

    I would like everyone to comment and I would also like some EB historians to address here if they can (like Kervanos, Foot, Persian, MAA, Thellos, .. anyone that can give some clear answers)

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: History advices please

    What's the time frame?
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    Question Re: History advices please

    272bc - ... EB time

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    Smile Re: History advices please

    Also..

    Can anyone give me some links where I can download EB time historic ART (by that I mean ART that is made as an inspiration of that period - Like any post EB period art is acceptable)

    By that I mean - any famous art, sculpture's .. etc that can be downloaded in high-res

    EDIT: Found it :D
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    Default Re: History advices please

    I'm not a historian or anything, but I'll give you my opinion if its any help.

    All the info here is what I've read from many different sources over the years and I have no idea if its correct. Its just how I understand it.

    As you did Maksimus, I thought that Pontos used Scythians in their armies. However as I understand it, it was Mithridates the great that annexed their homelands and formed this large standing army of Scythians. About 80-90BC.

    I don't believe that the Celts ever employed a large portion of foreign troops in their armies, in fact I've never heard of that happening. The Romans are well documented as having celtic, more specifically Aedui and Remi, and later germanic (Ubii) cavalry as auxiliries, around Caesar's time. Pompey employed a large proportion of eastern levies belonging to client kings at Pharsalus, but they were still belonging to those Kings.

    Prior to this the Romani had relied on their own troops more augmented by the Italian Allies, but in EB they are already assimilated so thats not important.

    I'm sure you know that the Carthaginians relied heavily on African, Spanish and Gallic mercenaries so again theres no need for me to comment.

    I hope thats sort of waht you're after and if not, sorry for messing you around.
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    Smile Re: History advices please

    Thank you very much!

    Anyway, you know that in EB Aegypt can raise 'Galatians' as a 'standard' army, still, I sure that AS used scythians, and most of Diadokhoi states

    (that is, by 300bc the gole was around those states - but not live men - I think that the mercenaries from all around Europe and Asia played important role in fights and battles after Alexandar - also, the way one can express this in the game is either managing the 'more' non-native units recruitable in EDB or adding much more and cheaper mercenaries in DM file )

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