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    What the hell...? Why the hell do villains in movies always WAIT before they destroy their foe which they have finally captured? For instance look at those (terribly unrealistic exaggerated romantic) James Bond movies: just KILL him already when you have him before you, don't wait! If I were one of those villains I'd have simply put a nice good bullet into his head right away, but in the movies nööööööö.... they must always stop and talk to them or something like that. You have the foe, so just destroy him swiftly already! Arrrgh!
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    Its the evil ego. It prevents them just "poppin' a cap".

    Still with amount of times that they could have knocked off James Bond it would have been a pretty short series.

    What about the poor evil genius that keep getting foiled by a bunch of pesky kids and a stoner dog? That must suck.
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    Well, what about Scaramanga and his Battle of the Guns duel with James Bond? I think its the best example, IMHO. My Golden Gun and its one bullet v.s your PPK and its seven bullets. Although, personally I wouldn't have ran away or would have even challenge him to duel in the first place.
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    Hence the great scene in Austin Powers:

    Dr. Evil: "Scott, I'd like you to meet Daddy's nemisis, Austin Powers."

    Scott: "Psh, what, are you feeding him? Why not shoot him now?"

    Dr. Evil: "No, Scott, I've got a better plan. I'm going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death."*holds up pinkie to mouth in trademark fasion

    God, what a great movie.
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    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
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    Mikeus, alot of Asian dramas seem to offer to very harsh or at best bitter-sweet endings. But not alot of outright Evil Man pwns kinda way, the way Good Guys often win in more Western flicks. I guess you might need to go for movies like Snatch or Pulp Fiction where everyone is a scum bag, just some more likeable than others.

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    Yes a lot of fantasy-martial art Asian movies end with the heroic guy and girl going separate ways.

    Now that is the biggest fantasy of the all. We are supposed to believe that in the most populous nations in the world they never ever get it on.
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    Because it would be a sucky movie?
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    Well if it was that sucky it would be x-rated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
    Hmm the only one I can think of is The Usual Suspects. Great movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.

    Off the top of my head:

    Se7en (the bad guy kinda wins in a way)
    Swordfish (the bad guy kinda wins in a way)
    Star Wars - The Empire Strikes Back (and it is the best episode exactly for that reason)
    Fight Club
    The Usual Suspects
    the Final Destination movies (again..kinda)
    Devils Advocate (again...kinda)
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    There's one bad guy (the only one I remember right now) that never lets a person slip, Edward Longshanks. Right when he got Wallace, "Execute him!!", a villain definately not to be messed with.

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    Skelenton Key is a good film for a really nasty ending just thinking abot it makes me cringe, 28 weeks later and any of the Saw films.
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    I know one, I know one: Carlito's Way!

    I obviously liked it so much I even remember it's name.
    Okay, if that wasn't convincing, it's starring Al Pacino.

    As to the original question, you're talking about movies here, Bijo.
    To make that more clear, in that movie that had "Tears of the sun" or so they had this airstrike in the end which basically consisted of the following footage IIRC: jets taking off a carrier without any payload -> different jets(I forgot which type but I think they showed F-18s and then F-14s then F-18s again or so) flying through the air, then you had jets fire Sidewinders, which as we all know are air-to-air missiles which resulted in some sort of napalm inferno on the ground.
    It was so wrong I got the impression they just got some clips from the internet and inserted them.

    Point is, movies don't have to make sense as long as they have a lot of boom-boom and ja-ja-ich komme thrown in.

    I mean it would be nice if they had some logic, but either that doesn't sell well or someone always thinks illogical things improve the story.


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    Braveheart is disqualified because it actually happened, more or less, so the writers had to stick to history. Wallace still got a pretty elaborate death, but there was clearly no chance of escape or recovery, and it's elaborate nature was just to entertain the crowd.

    Plus, there was no bad guy in Fight Club, or good guy for that matter. Plenty of ambiguous movies in this vein where winning and losing, and being good or bad, are themselves called into question, but that's not the point.

    Pan's Labyrinth is another one where the bad guys win, even if their representative on site is killed. We all know what happened to the anti-Franco rebels.

    I'd say the bad guys win in the first Resident Evil movie too, given the nature of the last scene.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
    Pan's Labyrint, spanish fantasy-movie that's simply incredible. He does't really 'win' but he stays, and you will hate every inch of him, very cruel movie be warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
    Braveheart is disqualified because it actually happened, more or less, so the writers had to stick to history. Wallace still got a pretty elaborate death, but there was clearly no chance of escape or recovery, and it's elaborate nature was just to entertain the crowd.

    Braveheart's writers stuck to history? That's a joke, there are countless historical inaccuracies included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahad I
    Braveheart's writers stuck to history? That's a joke, there are countless historical inaccuracies included.
    Let's start with a certain bridge hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
    Well, things going wrong and the bad guy winning are two different things. There are plenty of movies that have "unhappy" endings, but there's no bad guy winning in them. Examples (spoilered because knowing a film will have an unhappy ending can be a spoiler by itself):

    Movies with an unhappy ending:
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    The Deer Hunter
    Requiem for a Dream
    Leaving Las Vegas
    Brazil
    Aguirre: The Wrath of God
    Memento
    12 Monkeys
    Easy Rider
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Dr. Strangelove (comedy, including the ending, but also very political and frickin' brilliant on all levels)
    Barry Lyndon (depending on what you think of the main character)
    Paths of Glory
    A Clockwork Orange (yes, Kubrick disliked Hollywood endings)
    The Thing


    Movies where a bad guy actually wins:
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    Angel Heart
    The Omen
    Rosemary's Baby (yay for the Satan hat trick!)
    Silence of the Lambs (kind of)
    Hannibal (also kind of)
    Primal Fear (Brilliant ending!)
    Fallen
    1984
    Arlington Road
    Every single Cube movie
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    Note that I said 'more or less' with regards to Braveheart and history. They followed the gist, particularly including the execution of Wallace, which was the part in question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
    While we're on the subject, are there any serious films (not in the comedy stylings of Austin Powers) where the bad guy actually wins?

    I like depressing films like that.

    Don't know why, it's an odd fascination i have with everything going terribly wrong.
    Some great ones off the top of my head are...
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    Brazil (though I like to think Lowry won), Twelve Monkeys, Easy Rider, Barry Lyndon (much underrated classic by Kubrick), Ran (throughly depressing all the way through), Kagemusha, Thelma & Louise, The Butterfly Effect, Midnight Cowboy (brilliant), Falling Down ... Plenty to go around. Underground is pretty depressing a lot of the later half, but doesn't quite count as an unhappy film.

    A somewhat more interesting question, in my opinion, is if there are any computer games with a definite bad ending? I know Kane & Lynch can't have a happy ending, but any others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin
    Off the top of my head:

    Se7en (the bad guy kinda wins in a way)
    Swordfish (the bad guy kinda wins in a way)
    Devils Advocate (again...kinda)
    Se7en... the bad guy wins because he gets the outcome that he desired,
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    he dies at the hands of Wrath.

    Swordfish... they aren't the bad guys. Don't you know that the guys who waterboard, use extraordinary rendition and imprison without charge are the good guys.
    Devils Advocate... the bad guy actually loses.
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    He's trying to get a child out of the deal and his lead donor blows his brains out, why at that point he didn't collect the testes and do a bit of IVF... see that's the problem with fundamentalists they deny themselves all sorts of technologies because if god had meant them to have wings they would fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S
    A somewhat more interesting question, in my opinion, is if there are any computer games with a definite bad ending? I know Kane & Lynch can't have a happy ending, but any others?
    Max Payne 2 comes to mind

    And does the butterfly effect has a bad ending? I thougt it was a good one for the hero, though not the best.

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    Taking your time to kill your enemy is not a sign of stupidity. Is it in any way strange that you try to enjoy a moment that you've been working for like, one to two hours? And there's nothing wrong with doing it in an imaginative way, since the chance that you get to kill your archenemy again is slight at best. A single gunshot? GAH!
    As for the "fact" that it usually goes wrong that way, perhaps they just don't watch as many movies as you do. These people actually have jobs, remember.

    The amount of prejudice and scorn in this thread is simply astonishing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Pan's Labyrint, spanish fantasy-movie that's simply incredible. He does't really 'win' but he stays, and you will hate every inch of him, very cruel movie be warned.
    I thought it was an excellent movie, but I didn't end up hating Vidal in the slightest. You could see he loved his son, and wanted his son to admire him, and putting down rebels in that area would have been an insanely tough and stressful job. Even if you don't like him (and liking him is damn near impossible), he's still an interesting character if you look at his depth.

    A movie I've just thought of was The Wind That Shakes The Barley. I found it to be a well-made movie, and nobody really wins in the end. What an ending though...what an ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conradus
    Max Payne 2 comes to mind

    And does the butterfly effect has a bad ending? I thougt it was a good one for the hero, though not the best.
    Max Payne 2... perhaps, but even that had the alternate happy ending.

    The Butterfly Effect varies:
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    I think it depends on the version, since there are several possible endings. The one I saw is that he strangles himself in his mother's womb, and never exists. Bad for him, perhaps good for the rest. There are happier versions.
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    "The Departed"

    The bad guy doesn't win but neither does the good guy. I won't give anything else away. Go out and watch it. It's a great movie.
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