Out of character thread XIX

[AussieGiant]

Zim, Igno!!

Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take Hapsburg!!

Then you can go south and relieve or defend Ragusa....please, please.

[Zim]

Unfortunately Ignoramus doesn't have a computer that can play MTW2 right now, although assuming the PVP battles in a couple turns are run like the other ones we've had he'll be able to play in the final battle.

Maybe I or someone else could sub the Ragusa battle for him?

Zim, Igno!!

Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take Hapsburg!!

Then you can go south and relieve or defend Ragusa....please, please.

[AussieGiant]

So Ragusa willl fall because Igno can't play THE actual game, while in the PvP he can give order and can participate.

If a sub is allowed then I'LL fight the battle. When it's put like that of course, then it will be a 'no'.

Austria needs Hapsburg active now.

It seems I have a moderately hard place to my left and an even firmer spot to my right. This entirely affects the IC orders I give...so knowing by tonight my time will allow orders and determine my offensive actions.

If you don't take Hapsburg who would you take Zim? Roadkills character would also be a good call. You can then knight Max and then someone can head south with a cavalry only force and hopefully save Ragusa.

[Zim]

Given the situation in Austria I'd try to pick a free noble from that House. I know there's the junior Becker, and RK's old avatar?

[AussieGiant]

Becker's son is with him in the north, but Cecil is back and fighting so Jan Zirn (the middle brother of Karl's brood) is with Max. You can knight the brother and then head south with Cav only, pick up that sack of potato's Hapsburg and "high tail" it south. There are more than enough troops down there to compliment the cav only force you bring south.

in fact don't spend any time knighting Max just head south...put Max in my stack and then I'll punch him through these three bloody Hungarian stacks (and yes it is starting to get a little ridiculous with all these spawned stack, something to keep in mind for the next time) around Vienna.

[Zim]

Ok, but a quick look at the save shows Zirn won't arrive at Ragusa for 3 turns, after the game ends. Arnold can make it in two if he abandonds his army.

Maybe Arrnold should move south on his own/with cavalry and take Hapsburg's army, while I go after the Hungarian armies using Arnold's old army as reinforcements. Alternatively, I think Becker is close enough to reinforce Zirn.

[Zim]

Crap. Another look at the save shows that as Zirn I can hit two of those Hungarian armies at best, 2:5 odds and the only possible reinforcements being depleted cavalry from Prague. At best I might luck out and have my computer be too crappy to take a battle that large, delaying their reinforcements.

[deguerra]

Is it worth me still fighting Ludwigs siege of Bruges. Quite frankly, it seems like KotR is dying, and if I don't really have to face that triple gold stack, then I'll be a sissy. So: How long until we finish this game in one epic battle?

[Ignoramus]

Yes, I think that KotR is sadly going the way of WotS - there is just no challenges left. The Cataclysm was great, but as none of the rebels survived, it was only a matter of time before this happened.

Nevertheless, I'd say that KotR was a big improvement over WotS, as I'm sure our next game will be over KotR. Who knows what our next setting will be?

[Zim]

I found the superstacks challenge enough, although not particularly interesting.

I wonder what would have happened had Hummel or Dietrich (or both) survived.

One rebel did make it, Becker, he just stopped being a rebel.

[AussieGiant]

Yes we are in the final throws of the game.

I'm assuming that final "in game" army forces will not determine what you get in the PvP the war, but rather a preset set of factors as outlined by Econ and TC.

Thanks for the overview Zim. I'll take a look tonight and make my recommendations for Austria...if the game ends in two turns we might as well just clear out Vienna and leave Ragusa with an auto calc and Hapsburg in attendence. That would probably leave Austria with a mortality rate of nearly double all other Duchies and Outremer...something I'm a little proud of actually.

[Zim]

Ok, I assume I'm still taking Jan Zirn? If not a count we make as well have Austria get in on the flood of promotions that "coincidently" started after we found out units given in the war will be given based on rank.

[TinCow]

Just in case people are wondering, the final plotline will start moving relatively soon. You'll know it when it's time to start picking sides.

[Ramses II CP]

I want to be clear as Chancellor that I will not make IC decisions based on our OOC knowledge of the situation. von Bohmen should attempt to retake Bruges because that's what his character would do, and if you're defeated then that's what happens, just keep your avatar alive.

The same situation exists at Ragusa, I'm moving Hapsburg to try to hold the castle because he's the only avatar that can get there. If you don't want to fight a battle that's fine, but you're still going to be put in the position I, as Chancellor, would want you in to secure victory.

[AussieGiant]

I'm more than happy to do that Ramses.

I'm just grateful that I can fight for Hapsburg as a sub.

Otherwise I will change my stance to pretend as if we are not finishing in a couple of turns.

I'll look at the save tonight, give orders and move Arnold and Hapsburg (if that is ok) as necessary.

Cheers

[Ramses II CP]

I personally don't care who fights for Hapsburg, he was just the only option. I think I already moved him his maximum south, unless you want to leave the infantry behind. He won't be inside Ragusa when they lay siege, but I'll train whatever you want there and there's a fair number of men who'll be in range of the walls next season.

If other people want to let their situation on the ground go south and just not care that's fine, but the purpose of my declaration about OOC knowledge is just to let you know I won't be moving nobles out of the way of danger or auto-calcs on the basis of OOC knowledge. If the consensus opinion is that no one wants to fight anymore, let's suspend the game here and wait for Econ to get back.

[Ramses II CP]

You know, when I re-read that it sounds like it was directed at AG, which was the furthest thing from my intent.

What I don't like hearing when we've just seen Zim's avatar die from a battle that was clearly OOC unecessary is people pulling into their shells and declining battles. If we were going to declare the game stopped at a certain point, it should've been before that, so I'm going to go on putting people in the position I feel the strategic situation in game warrants.

With that note posted, I expect this offensive season to last about 48 more hours, and then we'll move forward. If you haven't taken an offensive action in that 48 hours, and you haven't posted other instructions, you might face an auto-calc.

Please post to the O&R thread if you have specific requests.

[AussieGiant]

I'm more than happy to fight Ramses.

You're perfectly fine with what you have done with Hapsburg. There is quite a few troops down there so please continue to recruit what is historically accurate in Ragusa.

I will wade through the Hungarian's this evening.

Arnold's outburst reminds me of when FH goaded him many decades ago.

I'll see how this goes against three stacks.

[_Tristan_]

OOC considerations have already made their apparition in game apart from refusing to put avatars in jeopardy as is evidenced by some recent granting of titles...

[Ramses II CP]

Absolutely true Tristan, but that's really a matter of playing catch up, as those nobles who have so far been declared counts have more than earned it and should've become counts long ago. We just got to a point in the game where the politics of who was and wasn't a count was less important.

[AussieGiant]

Who are we talking about with all the Count appointments?

If it's Max Zirn then his brother died...so he needed to be replaced. Picking an avatar that was not controlled by a real person seemed a little unfair. Hence Max got the nod.

I assume then that we are not talking about that one.

[TinCow]

If we want to freeze the game in its current state, I think we can do that. I expect the plotline to be ready to advance via a story and a few other IC posts within a day or two at the most. Once that begins, it wouldn't make much sense to keep the game moving anyway.

[_Tristan_]

Hey, nothing personal, AG...

Just the way you posted about awarding the title implied that it was based on OOC considerations (or so I gathered, pardon me if I'm wrong...)

All this is in fact a call to Warluster towards two of his generals (Econ and I)

[AussieGiant]

Now I understand Tristan...

Max's appointment was always going that way due the points I raised...I even sat on it for awhile to wait on what NN was going to do. He even reminded me because I had forgotten...I've had to reapppoint counts quite a lot in Austria.

And again sorry for the handle foul up in the Arnold tirade in the "Orders" thread.

[_Tristan_]

I made as if I read the right name... Happens to the best...

Or perhaps was it truly directed at me ?

[AussieGiant]

I made as if I read the right name... Happens to the best...

Or perhaps was it truly directed at me ?

phlblblbl!!

No it wasn't and I feel guilt already.

[Zim]

Heh, just realized now people are free to mess up my name and call me "Zirn" again, and this time it will be accurate.

[AussieGiant]

Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.

There is not much left to do except take up a position on the bridge, grab the canon from Vienna and hope the idiots try to cross so you can practise with the canon.

[Zim]

Drat, not even one teensy army to crush? Maybe some remnants to go against with Max and get him knighted?

Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.

There is not much left to do except take up a position on the bridge, grab the canon from Vienna and hope the idiots try to cross so you can practise with the canon.

[_Tristan_]

Unfortunately Zim, it seems as is the French antagonist has motivated my alter ego to new heights.

What a few well placed curses can do...

I think Hugo will go down the path of profanity from now on...

@ Zim :