Elephants

[Hoplite7]

I loved elephants in RTW, and always hire them as mercs in M2TW. Obviously in this time period the use of elephants has seriously diminished, but is there word of playable elephants for the factions in the "third world"? (for lack of a better term) Such as in India or Afghanistan? Or did everyone stop using them by now? I don't think elephants would be very useful against muskets...

[Abokasee]

Well they could probably take 2-5 shots from a musket, maybe more, but there large targets for cannons, but India I think used them, although there effectiveness was limited (if they got to a formation of troops they would massacre it, but there large targets from cannons and muskets)

[Wolf_Kyolic]

CA is working on it. As soon as they find a way of fitting them in the ships, we will have elephants on the battlefield. Many uber elephant units that wipe armies off. All you need to do is bring two and click on enemy. You won! That is cool man!

[Furious Mental]

Well there is a suit of armour for an elephant from 18th century India in a museum somewhere, so that would suggest that elephants were still used there. I think they were also used in south east Asia.

[rajpoot]

Elephants were used in warfare in India for a long long time, and I'm sure they'll be in the game at least for the Indian factions.
Afghans I believe never used elephants because fact that these beasts were found mainly in Southern and Eastern India.
Infact though it sounds insane and unpractical, yet, melee elephants with howdahs on their back were used too, even in the gunpowder age.

[Captain Fishpants]

Well there is a suit of armour for an elephant from 18th century India in a museum somewhere, so that would suggest that elephants were still used there. I think they were also used in south east Asia.

The only elephant armour "in captivity" is to be found in the thoroughly wonderful Royal Armouries, Leeds in Yorkshire. The museum is well worth a visit for everything else too!

[rajpoot]

The only elephant armour "in captivity" is to be found in the thoroughly wonderful Royal Armouries, Leeds in Yorkshire. The museum is well worth a visit for everything else too!

We have complete suits of elephant armour, atleast a dozen howdahs and flails, all belonging to the elephants used by the local rulers of the city before 1947, and now in the museum in the city fort.............

[Matt_Lane]

The only elephant armour "in captivity" is to be found in the thoroughly wonderful Royal Armouries, Leeds in Yorkshire.

Bag yourself a bargain at http://www.pugsguns.com/displayItem.do?id=976 One lady owner, low millage (trunk road miles only), yours for a snip at $95,000 (sold as seen)

Elephants were native beasts there (Iberia), as were lions in Italy, long long time back.

Hanibals 38 Elephants were African Elephants, part of a corps of 200 brought across the Straits of Gibraltar by transports during the conquest of Iberia.

[batemonkey]

Well there is a suit of armour for an elephant from 18th century India in a museum somewhere, so that would suggest that elephants were still used there. I think they were also used in south east Asia.

It's in the Royal Armouries in Leeds, apprently they trained the elephant to use a sword or cudgel with its trunk!!

I know that when clive of india came up against the elephants he wiped them out and the indians were not best pleased

[RLucid]

Come on guys, Ele's are wimpy old hat, must be oldfashioned now, it's not RTW!

They could spice things up with "Primeval" style units. For instance a platoon of mounted archers on T-Rex's would be far more exciting, just watch those pike & musket-men run when the earth moves for them and 12 tons of terror lizard try to take a chomp out of them! Other new world options, Sabre Tooth's and Short Faced Bears would also be cool!

Imagine how the strange smell & roar of T-Rex-ies would insta-rout all the other animal based units!

[Rhyfelwyr]

CA is working on it. As soon as they find a way of fitting them in the ships, we will have elephants on the battlefield. Many uber elephant units that wipe armies off. All you need to do is bring two and click on enemy. You won! That is cool man!

Well if elephants are balanced they will be an interesting addition to the game. In EB IIRC elephants were nicely balanced, they could cause carnage in melee but peltasts would kill them off pretty quickly. In M2TW they are however insanely overpowered. In my current Byz campaign, I've got some merc elephants from Baghdad on their way to Mexico.

[Wolf_Kyolic]

Balanced elephants! That rox!!!

[Rhyfelwyr]

w00t!!!11

[Hoplite7]

CA is working on it. As soon as they find a way of fitting them in the ships, we will have elephants on the battlefield. Many uber elephant units that wipe armies off. All you need to do is bring two and click on enemy. You won! That is cool man!

Um, assuming you're complaining about game balance, elephants would be significantly weaker in this game because of gunfire... and elephants are SUPPOSED to be overpowering, they are... you know, elephants.


And is there a reason why you chose to put this thread in your signature? I'm not a newcomer to these series by any means, maybe relatively new to the forums however.

Reading your other posts I see your manners and maturity are sadly lacking... oh well.

[Wolf_Kyolic]

and elephants are SUPPOSED to be overpowering, they are... you know, elephants.

They Roxors!!!

I'm not a newcomer to these series by any means,

Oh you played Shogun?

Reading your other posts I see your manners and maturity are sadly lacking... oh well.

[Husar]

Oh you played Shogun?

Yeah, anyone who didn't doeasn't really matter anyway, right?

Concerning elephants, I guess india would use them and I don't think they have to fit into ships, think about it, they can swim themselves and be used as troop transports.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well if the MP community don't want elephants, I say we scrap them. Along with artillery, horse archers, more than 5 cavalry per stack or whatever else they don't like.

In fact, why don't CA just go all the way and scrap the campaign map, drop the naval battles, remove all interesting units, and release a nice Rock-Paper-Scissor game of Swordsmen-Spearmen-Horsemen.

That'll please the 0.00001% of TW players that make up the MP community.

[Copperknickers]

I loved elephants in RTW, and always hire them as mercs in M2TW. Obviously in this time period the use of elephants has seriously diminished, but is there word of playable elephants for the factions in the "third world"? (for lack of a better term) Such as in India or Afghanistan? Or did everyone stop using them by now? I don't think elephants would be very useful against muskets...

Just to make this clear, India and Afghanistan were by no means third world countries at this time. The Mughals were one of the greatest warrior empires the world has ever seen, and they left behind them such spectacular architecture as the Taj Mahal and hte Red Fort ad Delhi. They would have used quite a lot of elephants, with riflemen on top of them, and there is evidence to suggest they were used to transport cannons.

Although the Mughals were somewhat in decline by the 18th century, they will use their elephants to put up a fierce resistance to any british or Dutch etc people with ideas on the subcontinent in ETW.

A mughal war elephant in full armour:

[Sabuti]

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