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    I liked it. It got a lot of mixed reviews, but overall I thought it was fairly unique and entertaining. My only beef was that there wasn't enough monsters. I mean, more monsters scenes in a monster movie are needed!

    Did anyone else see it?
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    Wife and I went to see it yesterday. I really loved it, but it's not going to be for everyone. Very hard-core about its concept, no deviation from the "found footage" trope. No soundtrack, no steadicam, no scientist in a white coat explaining everything, as I said, it's hard-core. I got the impression that many of the folks in the audience did not enjoy themselves.

    Whatever. It's an avant-garde monster flick. In a strange way it reminded me of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, in that you're getting a huge even told from an ant's eye-view. For that alone I was ready to forgive it any minor problems.

    I loved how it subverted the Hollywood tendency to over-explain everything. It's a sin in the hack screenwriter community to leave anything blank. Every little thing must be filled in. If Timmy runs from a dog, we must see a flashback where we learn why Timmy is afraid of dogs. If a monster shows up, a scientist must explain where the monster came from. Etcetera.

    So bravo to the makers of Cloverfield for bucking all of that horse-hockey, and making a film where you're in the dark, just like the characters. And kudos to them for sticking to the found footage idea without compromise.

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    The movie was way overhyped. The camcorder perspective was interesting for how it made you feel like you're part of the action, but then it makes people physically ill too... hardly seems like a good thing. I personally didn't get motion sickness, but many others in the theater (wife included) did.

    The plot.... what plot? There was none. There were also few surprises in the movie.
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    I'm not opposed to suspension of disbelief for movies, but Cloverfield really pushed it too far, imo. The "magic" camcorder that never runs out of battery or tape was pretty bad. It's also a bit silly to think that through everything that happens to them they never decide saving their lives or watching what they're doing is more important than filming it.

    Also, Beth is impaled on rebar, yet they lift her off it and not only is she able to climb down over 50 stories on her own, she's also able to sprint through the streets of Manhattan. Personally, I think she would've went into shock/bled to death long before then.

    It's also a bit silly how they all survived the helicopter crash at the end, but none of the crew members did- again, very improbable. Myself and others thought it would've been better had the movie ended at that point. Also, why was the evac copter hovering around the monster while they were bombing it? Bah.

    Anyhow, overall I'd give the movie a . There were entertaining parts and the cinematography did work in some ways while failing in others. I was able to somewhat enjoy watching the film, but in retrospect- it wasn't very good.

    Lemur, I too am annoyed with how many movies feel the need to rub our noses in the most obvious things, apparently thinking us too dense to understand otherwise. However, doing the exact opposite and explaining nothing isn't always good either. The movie leaves you knowing nothing more than you did from seeing the trailers. It was more a ride than a film imo.
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    I saw it with some friends, it was the first time I'd been to the movies in ages. It was very enjoyable I thought.

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    Although the way Beth was wounded for 5 minutes and then recovered completely.


    Also I was expecting it to go on for longer, though apart from those 2 things I liked it. The not-knowing-why part annoyed me at first but then afterwards I thought about it and decided I'd prefer that to some half baked tale about a scientific experiment gone horribly wrong which everyone would probably complain about anyway.

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    Origin of the monster spoiler:
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    A friend told me that in the last shot of the movie, which shows the two at Coney Island, you can see an object fall out of the sky and land in the ocean. This apparently shows that the monster is from outer space. I cannot confirm this myself, as I did not notice it when I saw the movie.
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    Alright. I really enjoyed the movie immensely. I thought the camera work was perfect for a the movie as well as being left in the dark about the monster so you were in the same boat as the people in the movie. So the whole you and they didn't know or have more knowledge than the other. Like for instance showing the monster I dunno, sneaking up on them from behind or whatever and them not knowing.

    As for the "magic-camcorder". Im guessing it might have been some camcorder with a disc or he stopped it off 'n on or something I dunno but getting to realistic kinda ruins that part of the movie I suppose. And when Beth got lifted off of that bar (ouch!) and was soon running through the streets like she was 100%, I'd say adrenaline was the factor there (I've read several book about WWII where a guy was shot once or twice but didn't notice it until the fight was far from over due to adrenaline kicking in).

    Tincow,
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    I saw it when it landed at the end of the movie, but my friend told me that he checked out online and said it was a satellite that crashed and woke the monster up.


    My only question is, how in the world did the military get there so darned fast?? I mean common that was lightening quick.

    And did anybody stay until the end of the credits?

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    There was radio talk and they apparently said "it's still alive"


    I personally loved the movie and already saw it for a second time.

    I found out some more things about the monster specifically
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    At the end when you get to see the big guy up close, those red things on the side of his head are for breathing, aka. his lungs. And if you read what I said to Tincow, then I'm guessing those little critters that fell off of him and infested the city feed off of him like what happens with other sea creatures.
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    It was a good movie...nothing special though. I personally didn't like the cam moving the entire movie...a new trick but still ineffective at boosting ratings. I also don't like the lack of plot, drove me nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker
    My only question is, how in the world did the military get there so darned fast?? I mean common that was lightening quick.
    Oh yeah, I neglected to mention that. They had freaking tanks there in what? Half an hour at the most? Within a couple hours from then, they had setup field hospitals and were evacuating the populace via helicopters.
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    Yea, but then again... if there was 100ft "thing" walking around in one of your largest cities in the your country... you'd have the military there as fast as possible! They're lucky it wasn't a man in a rubber suit or they woulda been in a world of hurt lol.
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    Be that as it may, remember how long it took to get jets in the air around DC and NYC 6 1/2 years ago? And how long the NG took to get into NOLA in 2005?

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    Are we talking about realism in a movie where a gigantic monster 100s of meters tall destroys New York City? If so, let me also point out that I think it's foot prints were not deep enough. Surely that much weight would have collapsed the many tunnels under the streets and made larger holes.

    BOO THIS MOVIE!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    Are we talking about realism in a movie where a gigantic monster 100s of meters tall destroys New York City? If so, let me also point out that I think it's foot prints were not deep enough. Surely that much weight would have collapsed the many tunnels under the streets and made larger holes.

    BOO THIS MOVIE!
    Well... Im guessing that half the time he was stepping on cars, people, military what-not cushioning his steps so he didn't make any real large foot prints in the ground. OR!! Maybe he had the feet of camels! Now there's something to think about.
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    i liked it. the fact that we are dealing with fire breadthless godzilla meant for me that i wasn't going to expect it to be realistic.
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    so things like the quick arriving military or regenerative beth didn't bother me. or the fact that with all the radar equipment we have, nobody saw this giant blip approaching new york. the only thing that did annoy me was character behavior, like when they reach the safe room in the subway after fighting off the first batch of monsters. our hero uses a crowbar to open up the vending machine. but he doesn't take the crowbar with him when they leave the safe room.
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    Went to see it today and have to say I enjoyed it. The perspective of the movie was a great touch, although at times you really want to make the camera guy turn the thing to where the actual monster is.

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    I mean, we want to see what happens when the monster's taking fire from the military and when it's walking through the city !


    But then again, I'm sure that wouldn't be my main concern when in the midst of a monster versus world fight. And keeping the audience in the dark did in fact make the movie more interesting.

    Also, I don't quite understand the 'magic' camcorder criticism. I mean, most modern day camcorders have enough power to stay on for 7-8 hours, right? Now I'm more surprised at how the thing managed to survive all the battering it received during the whole ordeal - I dare say the lens should have broken at least a dozen times. But really, it's not that big a deal in my opinion.

    Decker.

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    At the end when you get to see the big guy up close, those red things on the side of his head are for breathing, aka. his lungs. And if you read what I said to Tincow, then I'm guessing those little critters that fell off of him and infested the city feed off of him like what happens with other sea creatures.


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    Well I guess that's a plausible explanation, but I'd say the carpet-bombed creature would not have been able to survive a hit to the head. And according to that radio transcript, it did.


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