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    Member Member Reno Melitensis's Avatar
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    Default Can't load EB

    Well I downloaded EB1 via filefront on saturday, but when I installed it on a fresh copy of RTW the game had a ctd before even loading the main screen. After reading about corrupt EB installations, I downloaded it again via torrent, and installed a fresh copy of RTW 1.5. But the problems are still there. I installed all known fixes, minus that of the oppida, put -nm at the end of the shortcut, and run the validation patch. I have these files missing;

    .\data\descr_arrow_trial_effect_final
    .\data\descr_surface_fire.txt
    .\data\txt\caesar_in_gaul_wip_5_regions_and_settlement_names_txt

    The game is loading, then the vanilla intro movie appears, but when the EB loading screen appears, the bar only fills have way, than, CTD.

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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    I installed the Oppida fix too, plus after seeing some treads decided to add -ne too. The problem was not solved. Please bovi help me, I am getting mad.

    Cheers.


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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    I could give you those missing vanilla files, but I'm not at home yet.

    You've done quite a few of the known ways to fix it. I thought you were an EB veteran, and had 1.0 since a long time ago? Did you get a new computer or install some new hardware or driver since you last played? Have you installed Nero or any other new software?

    Having problems getting EB2 to run? Try these solutions.
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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    descr_arrow_trail_effects_final.txt
    Code:
    ;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ; Arrow trail effects.
    ;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    effect default_arrow_trail
    {
    	type ribbon
    	{
    		alpha_max	128	  ; Alpha value at start of trail
    		alpha_min	10	  ; Alpha value at end of trail
    		fade_start	100	  ; Distance to start fading out.
    		fade_end	200	  ; This should be the same as the max lod distance in the effect set.
    		head_width	0.1	  ; Width of the ribbon at arrow end
    		tail_width  0.01    ; Width of the ribbon at the tail end
    
    		texture	    data/textures/arrow_trail.tga
    	}
    }	
    
    effect_set default_arrow_trail_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		default_arrow_trail
    	}
    }
    
    effect small_arrow_trail
    {
    	type ribbon
    	{
    		alpha_max	128	  ; Alpha value at start of trail
    		alpha_min	10	  ; Alpha value at end of trail
    		fade_start	100	  ; Distance to start fading out.
    		fade_end	200	  ; This should be the same as the max lod distance in the effect set.
    		head_width	0.1	  ; Width of the ribbon at arrow end
    		tail_width  0.01    ; Width of the ribbon at the tail end
    
    		texture	    data/textures/slingshot_trail.tga
    	}
    }	
    
    effect_set small_arrow_trail_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		small_arrow_trail
    	}
    }
    
    effect large_arrow_trail
    {
    	type ribbon
    	{
    		alpha_max	196	  ; Alpha value at start of trail
    		alpha_min	64	  ; Alpha value at end of trail
    		fade_start	100	  ; Distance to start fading out.
    		fade_end	200	  ; This should be the same as the max lod distance in the effect set.
    		head_width	0.15  ; Width of the ribbon at arrow end
    		tail_width  0.015 ; Width of the ribbon at the tail end
    
    		texture	    data/textures/arrow_trail.tga
    	}
    }	
    
    effect_set large_arrow_trail_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		large_arrow_trail
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_arrow_trail
    {
    	type ribbon
    	{
    		alpha_max	255	  ; Alpha value at start of trail
    		alpha_min	128	  ; Alpha value at end of trail
    		fade_start	100	  ; Distance to start fading out.
    		fade_end	200	  ; This should be the same as the max lod distance in the effect set.
    		head_width	0.5	  ; Width of the ribbon at arrow end
    		tail_width  0.1   ; Width of the ribbon at the tail end
    
    		texture	    data/textures/arrow_fire.tga
    	}
    }	
    
    effect_set fiery_arrow_trail_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_arrow_trail
    	}
    }		
    
    
    effect fiery_boulder
    {
    	type projectile
    	{
    		model		models_effects/fireball.cas
    		fade_time	0.01
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder
    {
    	type projectile
    	{
    		model		models_effects/boulder.cas
    		fade_time	0.01
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder_dust
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke0.tga
    
    		size_range      1.0, 1.5
    		age_range       0.1, 0.5
    	    grow_range		1.1, 1.6
    		velocity   		0.0, 0.2
    		colour     		87, 87, 74
    		alpha_max	   	14			 ; maximum alpha value
    		
    		emitter distance
    		{
    			density			2 	     ; how many particels per meter
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_boulder_smoke
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke0.tga
    
    		size_range      2.0, 2.5
    		age_range       0.5, 1.5
    	    grow_range		1.5, 1.8
    		velocity   		0.0, 0.2
    		colour     		87, 87, 74
    		alpha_max	   	90			 ; maximum alpha value
    		emitter distance
    		{
    			density			1 	     ; how many particels per meter
    		}
    		
    		fade_time		0.1		
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder_explosion_01
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    		; main explosion
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dirt1.cas
    		anim_time			0.4
    		max_scale   			2
    		max_particle_scale 		4
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6		
    		
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/debri02.cas
            debris_num_particles     0
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 20
            debris_emit_angle        70              ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.9
            debris_velocity_range    5.5, 30.5
            debris_scale_range       0.4, 1.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder_explosion_02
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    		; main explosion
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dirt2.cas
    		anim_time			0.9
    		max_scale   			5
    		max_particle_scale 		7
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.34		
    		
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/debri02.cas
            debris_num_particles     0
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 20
            debris_emit_angle        70              ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.9
            debris_velocity_range    5.5, 30.5
            debris_scale_range       0.4, 1.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_boulder_explosion
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    		; main explosion
    		model 				models_effects/explosion.cas
    		anim_time			0.9
    		max_scale   			3
    		max_particle_scale 		5
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6		
    		
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/fire_debri_01.CAS
            debris_num_particles     10
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 15
            debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.9
            debris_velocity_range    15.5, 20.5
            debris_scale_range       1.4, 3.6
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_boulder_dust_explosion
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dust.cas
    		anim_time			1.7
    		max_scale   			3
    		max_particle_scale 		5
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/fire_debri_02.CAS
            debris_num_particles     20
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 15
            debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.9
            debris_velocity_range    10.5, 15.5
            debris_scale_range       1.4, 4.6
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_boulder_dust_explosion2
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dust2.cas
    		anim_time			9
    		max_scale   			6
    		max_particle_scale 		10
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6
    
    		; debris
    	        debris_model                             models_effects/debri02.cas
            	debris_num_particles     0
    	        debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 20
            	debris_emit_angle        70              ; degrees
    	        debris_time_bias         0.9
            	debris_velocity_range    5.5, 30.5
    	        debris_scale_range       0.4, 1.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_boulder_dust_explosion3
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/flame_explode.cas
    		anim_time			.7
    		max_scale   			1.5
    		max_particle_scale 		2.5
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.9
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/fire_debri_02.CAS
            debris_num_particles     20
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 15
            debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.9
            debris_velocity_range    10.5, 15.5
            debris_scale_range       1.4, 4.6
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder_dust_explosion
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dust.cas
    		anim_time			1.7
    		max_scale   			2
    		max_particle_scale 		4
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6
    
    		; debris
    	        debris_model                             models_effects/debri02.cas
            	debris_num_particles     0
    	        debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 20
            	debris_emit_angle        70              ; degrees
    	        debris_time_bias         0.9
            	debris_velocity_range    5.5, 30.5
    	        debris_scale_range       0.4, 1.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect boulder_dust_explosion2
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dust2.cas
    		anim_time			7
    		max_scale   			5
    		max_particle_scale 		9
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6
    
    		; debris
            	debris_model                             models_effects/fire_debri_02.CAS
            	debris_num_particles     20
            	debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 15
            	debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            	debris_time_bias         0.9
            	debris_velocity_range    3.5, 7.5
            	debris_scale_range       1.4, 2.6
    	}
    }
    
    effect ballista_arrow_impact
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    	; dust explode
    		model 				models_effects/explosion_dust.cas
    		anim_time			1.7
    		max_scale   			2
    		max_particle_scale 		4
    		scale_time_bias			.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.6
    
    		; debris
    	        debris_model                             models_effects/debri02.cas
            	debris_num_particles     0
    	        debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 20
            	debris_emit_angle        70              ; degrees
    	        debris_time_bias         0.9
            	debris_velocity_range    5.5, 30.5
    	        debris_scale_range       0.4, 1.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set large_arrow_explode_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		ballista_arrow_impact
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set fiery_boulder_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_boulder
    		fiery_boulder_smoke
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set boulder_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		boulder
    		boulder_dust
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set fiery_boulder_explosion_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_boulder_dust_explosion3
    		fiery_boulder_explosion		
    		fiery_boulder_dust_explosion
    		fiery_boulder_dust_explosion2
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set boulder_explosion_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		boulder_explosion_01
    		boulder_explosion_02
    		boulder_dust_explosion
    		boulder_dust_explosion2
    	}
    }
    
    
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ; Fiery arrow
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    
    effect fiery_arrow
    {
    	type projectile
    	{
    		model		models_effects/flaming_arrow.cas
    		fade_time	0.01
    		sort_for_speed
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_arrow_no_additive
    {
    	type projectile
    	{
    		model		models_effects/flaming_arrow_noadd.cas
    		fade_time	0.01
    		sort_for_speed
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_arrow_smoke
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke0.tga
    
    		size_range      0.8, 0.4
    		initial_size	0.3, 0.4
    		age_range       0.1, 0.2
            grow_range	 	1, 1
    		velocity   		0.01, 0.9
    		colour     		55, 50, 47
    		alpha_max	   	100			 ; maximum alpha value
    		batched			
    		sort_bias		15
    		die_size		0.3, 0.4
    		fade_time		0.1
    		system_radius   20
    		max_particles   1500
    		
    		emitter distance
    		{
    			emitter_falloff_dist	500			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5
    			
    			density			2 	     ; how many particels per meter
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fiery_arrow_explosion
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    		; main explosion
    		model 				models_effects/flaming_arrow_impact.cas
    		anim_time			0.5
    		max_scale   			0.5
    		max_particle_scale 		2
    		scale_time_bias			0.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.4
    
    		; debris
    		debris_model                             models_effects/debris.cas
            debris_num_particles     3
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 5.8
            debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.97
            debris_velocity_range    4.5, 6.5
            debris_scale_range       0.1, 0.3
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set < 3 4 > fiery_arrow_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_arrow
    		fiery_arrow_smoke
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set < 2 > fiery_arrow_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_arrow_no_additive
    		fiery_arrow_smoke
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set < 0 1 > fiery_arrow_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_arrow_no_additive
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set < 1 3 4 > fiery_arrow_explosion_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_arrow_explosion		
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ; Fiery Ballista
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fiery_ballista
    {
    	type projectile
    	{
    		model		models_effects/flaming_ballista.cas
    		fade_time	0.01
    	}
    }
    effect fiery_ballista_smoke
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke0.tga
    
    		size_range      1.0, 1.5
    		initial_size    0.6, 0.8
    		age_range       0.1, 0.2
            grow_range	 	1, 1
    		velocity   		0.0, 0.9
    		colour     		55, 50, 47
    		alpha_max	   	100			 ; maximum alpha value
    		emitter distance
    		{
    			density			2 	     ; how many particles per meter
    		}
    	}
    }
    effect fiery_ballista_explosion
    {
    	type explosion
    	{
    		; main explosion
    		model 				models_effects/flaming_arrow_impact.cas
    		anim_time			0.5
    		max_scale   			1.2
    		max_particle_scale 		3.5
    		scale_time_bias			0.9
    		alpha_time_bias			0.4
    
    		; debris
            debris_model                             models_effects/debris.cas
            debris_num_particles     7
            debris_lifetime_range    2.2, 5.8
            debris_emit_angle        50               ; degrees
            debris_time_bias         0.97
            debris_velocity_range    6.5, 8.5
            debris_scale_range       0.2, 0.5
    	}
    }
    
    effect_set fiery_ballista_trail_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_ballista
    		fiery_ballista_smoke
    	}
    
    }
    
    effect_set fiery_ballista_explosion_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fiery_ballista_explosion		
    	}
    }



    descr_surface_fire.txt
    Code:
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ;;
    ;;  Siege engine fire
    ;;
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    
    effect burning_engine_smoke
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		1.8, 1.4
    		age_range       		2.1, 14.2
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 2
            fade_time				0.25
            die_size				1, 1
    		colour     				255,255,255
    		alpha_max	   			255			 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-1, 1
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					0	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	10000		; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;; MIDDLE TOWER EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_01
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		1.8, 11.4
    		age_range       		0.1,0.24
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 15.4
            fade_time				1.8
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					180	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,2.4,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_02
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		0.5, 16.4
    		age_range       		1.0,1.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 9.6
            fade_time				2.5
            die_size				0.1,0.5
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					70	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;; BALLISTA EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_03
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.5, 3.4
    		age_range       		0.14,0.54
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.8,1.4
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.2, 0.01
    		colour     				215,215,215
    		alpha_max	   			120		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.54,0.54
    		acceleration			0,5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					50	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,-0.25,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	100			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.9			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_04
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke4.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		0.2, 5.4
    		age_range       		1.0,2.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.1, 1.8
            fade_time				1.8
            die_size				0.1,0.2
    		colour     				245,225,225
    		alpha_max	   			180		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.14,0.14
    		acceleration			0,1,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					10	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,-0.3,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_08
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		0.1, 4.4
    		age_range       		0.3,0.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 5.6
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,0.5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					2	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    
    ;;;;;;; ONAGER EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_05
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.24, 5.4
    		age_range       		0.1,0.2
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 2.8
            fade_time				1.5
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,6,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					30	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,-1,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_06
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke4.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 10.4
    		age_range       		0.5,0.7
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 7.6
            fade_time				2
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				220,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			255		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,1,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					5	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_07
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 10.4
    		age_range       		0.3,0.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 5.6
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,0.5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					1	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;; RAM EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_09
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.5, 5.9
    		age_range       		0.05,0.15
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 2.8
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,8,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					30	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,-1,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_10
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke4.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 6.4
    		age_range       		0.5,1.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				3.5, 5.6
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				220,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			255		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,1,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					10	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_11
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 10.4
    		age_range       		0.3,1
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 5.6
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,0.5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					1	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;; LADDER EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_12
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.5, 5.9
    		age_range       		0.05,0.15
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 2.8
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,8,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					30	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,-1,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_13
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke4.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 10.4
    		age_range       		0.5,0.7
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 7.6
            fade_time				2
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				220,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			255		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,1,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					5	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_14
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		5, 10.4
    		age_range       		0.3,0.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 5.6
            fade_time				1
            die_size				0.1,0.25
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		acceleration			0,0.5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					1	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;; HELIOPOLIS TOWER EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_15
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.2, 14.4
    		age_range       		0.1,0.24
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 15.4
            fade_time				1.8
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					180	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,2.4,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	250			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_16
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		2.5, 20.4
    		age_range       		1.0,1.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 9.6
            fade_time				2.5
            die_size				0.1,0.5
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					70	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	400			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;; SIEGE TOWER EFFECTS ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_17
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke2.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		1.8, 11.4
    		age_range       		0.1,0.24
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 15.4
            fade_time				1.8
            die_size				0.5, 0.1
    		colour     				235,235,235
    		alpha_max	   			114		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.24,0.24
    		acceleration			0,5,0
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					100	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,2.4,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	150			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    effect fire_siege_tower_18
    {
    	type particle
     	{
    		texture			battlefield/fire/smoke3.tga
    
    		sprite_origin			0.1, 0.1
    		sprite_size				0.9, 0.9
    		size_range      		0.5, 16.4
    		age_range       		1.0,1.4
            grow_range	 			1, 1 
            vel_range				0.5, 9.6
            fade_time				2.5
            die_size				0.1,0.5
    		colour     				210,200,200
    		alpha_max	   			140		 ; maximum alpha value
    		spin_rate				-0.04,0.04
    		
    		emitter tri_surface
    		{
    			density					30	     	; how many particles per second
    			offset_from_surface		0,0,0		; offset from surface to emit from
    
    			emitter_falloff_dist	300			; distance in meters to reduce emission over
    			emitter_falloff_bias	0.5			; 			
    		}
    	}
    }
    
    
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    ;								SIEGE FIRE EFFECT SETS												 ;
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_middle_tower_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_01	
    		fire_siege_tower_02
    	}
    }
    
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		burning_engine_smoke	
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_ballista_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_03	
    		fire_siege_tower_04
    		fire_siege_tower_08
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_onager_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_05	
    		fire_siege_tower_06
    		fire_siege_tower_07
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_ram_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_09	
    		fire_siege_tower_10
    		fire_siege_tower_11
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_ladder_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_12	
    		fire_siege_tower_13
    		fire_siege_tower_14
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_heliopolis_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_15	
    		fire_siege_tower_16
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    
    effect_set engine_fire_siege_set
    {
    	lod 1000
    	{
    		fire_siege_tower_17
    		fire_siege_tower_18
    	}
    }
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;



    caesar_in_gaul_wip_5_regions_and_settlement_names.txt
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    ¬ Settlement and region names for Caesar In Gaul Campaign
    {Britannia}			Britannia
    {Germania}			Germania
    {Nervii}			Nervii
    {Belgae}			Belgae
    {Sequani}			Sequani
    {Aremorica}			Aremorica
    {Mandubii}			Mandubii
    {Bituriges}			Bituriges
    {Aedui}			Aedui
    {Helvetii}			Helvetii
    {Carnutes}			Carnutes
    {Arverni}			Arverni
    {Cisalpine_Gaul}			Cisalpine Gaul
    {Aquitani}			Aquitani
    {Transalpine_Gaul}			Transalpine Gaul
    {Hispania}			Hispania
    {Oldbury}			Oldbury
    {Olst}			Olst
    {Aduataca}			Aduataca
    {Samarabriva}			Samarabriva
    {Vesontio}			Vesontio
    {Lutetia}			Lutetia
    {Alesia}			Alesia
    {Avaricum}			Avaricum
    {Bibracte}			Bibracte
    {Geneva}			Geneva
    {Uxellodunum}			Uxellodunum
    {Gergovia}			Gergovia
    {Mediolanium}			Mediolanium
    {Tolosa}			Tolosa
    {Massilia}			Massilia
    {Rhodae}			Rhodae
    
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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    Quote Originally Posted by bovi
    I could give you those missing vanilla files, but I'm not at home yet.

    You've done quite a few of the known ways to fix it. I thought you were an EB veteran, and had 1.0 since a long time ago? Did you get a new computer or install some new hardware or driver since you last played? Have you installed Nero or any other new software?

    I decided to quite my Romani campaign on .82 to give version 1 a try, but in the first place I had to load the EB menu screen. And Yes I am an EB veteran, it was difficult to quite my Romani on .82.

    Yes recently I installed Nero and Power ISO, do they have something to do with all this mess?.

    Cheers and thanks for your help.


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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    I installed the fixes you gave me in RTW data folder not in the EB data folder. Its that correct.

    Now since my last post I tried to insalled Eb again, the validation has listed more missing files.
    \data\descr_arrow_trail_effects_final.txt
    \data\descr_surface_fire.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\descr_walls.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\export_descr_buildings.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\export_descr_character_traits.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\export_descr_unit.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\packs\mod_0.pak
    Changed file: .\eb\data\scripts\show_me\ebbs_script.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\text\export_vnvs.txt
    Changed file: .\eb\data\world\maps\base\descr_disasters.txt
    Added file: .\data\caesar_in_gaul_wip_5_regions_and_settlement_names. txt.

    Cheers.


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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    Uninstall Nero, and it should work again.

    Those changed files are the permanent fixes, or a submod, I presume? If not, extract them from the installer with 7-zip.

    You placed the caesar in gaul file wrong.
    Last edited by bovi; 01-22-2008 at 00:56.

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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    Bovi, I did exactly as you told me. I removed Nero and Power ISO to be sure, than removed Copy of Activision. Then the process to copy RTW, I used 7-zip to extract Eb and installed it plus all patches. I restarted my PC, and clicked on the EB icon, but the vanilla movie is still there, what is important is that I loaded EB with your great help and patience. Thanks very much Bovi.

    One question, what could possibly Nero do to the EB installer, and if I install Nero again do you thing there will be any problems with EB.

    Cheers.


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    Default Re: Can't load EB

    I have no idea why Nero screws up EB, but it does . There could be other programs that are screwing it up on other people's installations, however they generally don't give a full listing of installed programs either (and I'm not asking). It was a lucky shot that someone remembered having installed Nero and not getting it to work afterwards.

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