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    Default Re: 1.3 useful and useless fractions

    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    I played. Modders went wrong way. On retrofit fraction with good infantry and good medium cavarly are stronger (despite they were very strong on vanilla) while nations with good cavarly but weak inf and missile units are weaker.

    Useful
    Italian fractions and generall all fractions with pavs
    Useless
    Turkey, Poland, Egypt, England

    And funniest on retrofit is that feudal sergeants (normal peasants) are stronger than foot knights.
    I played. Krook went wrong way testing retrofit and it's good to know how deep is the vision of Krook testing TW balances in order to rely in his statements. Now I can say all is clear :) .

    This is what happens in Retrofit when you make an engagement between armoured sergeants (best spears for most christian factions) vs dismounted feudal knights (a common and not the best sword). Grassy flatland, good weather, both fresh, etc.

    Code:
    Armoured Sergeants                             DFK
    75 men, 640 florins                      60 men, 540 florins
    ***number of kills***                  ***number of kills***
            28                                      64
            25                                      68
            31                                      73
            49                                      74
            26                                      73
    It's just an example. The randomness range shows us that we can assume that Armoured sergeants NEVER win Vs DFK. Do we need to test DFK versus other worse spears too?

    Krook can tell us that he doesn't like Retrofit and prefers vanilla, but he cannot lie and therefore confusing others. Maybe he doesn't lie and he is a good guy that tell us what he thinks. Maybe he tested another mod. But if he doesn't lie and he tested Retrofit really, then it means simply that he is as good as (put here whoever you want) testing TW games.

    Enough said, and back to topic, M2TW vanilla balance is so simple that only are useful all those factions (or fractions heh) that allow you to recruit as many cavalries as possible. This profile is just what Italian factions are, with a good roster of several types of cheap medium cavalry. Bad factions are all those who relies in missile/horsearchery warfare and cannot recruit as many cavalries(or no cavalries at all) as italian factions, like Mongols/Timurids, Turks, Egypt, England, Aztecs, etc.

    Regards.
    Last edited by CeltiberoMordred; 01-26-2008 at 21:25.


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