Heh - what an agression.

Congrats guys. So tell me plz why no one takes Turkey on retrofit :) Or Timurids - I'm playing retrofit since 2 months, maybe 6 weeks but I don't remember any game when someone used Timurids.

I wrote my point of view and you explained yours. Your suggestion about me are rather into bad taste. ESPECIALLY YOUR KYOLIC.
Some clans moved to retro, some didn't. Actually many strongest did not. Before you start talking how great clan Wolves are - play with some good clans from mtw 2. Then you can post.

Mordred - you are legend of total war. But legend status does not make you alpha and omega. Mod is bad balanced - some fractions are weak and some much stronger than into vanilla. Stronger fractions are mostly those who were strong into mtw 2 1.2 - like Italian fractions.
So plz don't tell about my lies when we can see your mistakes (I assume you were tester). Plz tell me, my dear legend how can I break Papacy using Turks (I call this fraction all the time cause I liked them on mtw 1). I'm only stupid liar and I don't know.

Lets compare (here I'm comparing 2 whole typical armies not comparison unit vs unit)

PAPACY - very good cavarly (cheap price, sword upgrades are very cheap)
very good missile units (pavs)
great infantry (papal guard breaks everything - only varagnian guard is better, upgrades are very cheap)

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Turkey - medium cavarly with expensive upgrades
weak infantry - ottoman infantry bows are far too weak against pavs
medium missile units - but quite expensive