To inherit or not, that is the question...

**Martok** · 01-31-2008, 06:10

Originally Posted by kamikhaan

Only issue might be religion. Serbs are Orthodox, while the Spaniards are Catholic. Martok, bear in mind that your friend was likely inheriting a lot of nice, like minded catholics to go along with his own, so that would've made it easier to coralle them.

Doh! You're right. For some reason, I was thinking bamff was playing the Sicilians at the time I posted that.

I still doubt there'll much difficulty with the Spanish generals swearing allegiance to the Tsar. The provinces themselves, however, may be somewhat restive. (It's been a while since I played an Orthodox faction, so I can't remember offhand what kind of loyalty issues they have with Catholic provinces.)

**bamff** · 02-04-2008, 00:18

One further bizarre little twist that I have just noted.....

Among the various Castile-Leonese that have sworn loyalty to Serbia, I note that there are two CATHOLIC BISHOPS!

Why these two and no others? Could it be because these two are 4 stars (and I am guessing that the others were lesser?)

**seireikhaan** · 02-04-2008, 00:27

Well, that certainly is odd...

Are they still preaching catholicism, or did they turn into orthodox priests when they 'converted'?

As for only those two... I think its anyone's guess, unless those were somehow the only two bishops they had. You didn't by chance inherit a fleet as well, did you?

**bamff** · 02-04-2008, 00:45

No fleet, no inquisitors or other agents, just two Catholic Bishops....both of whom are still identified as "Catholic Bishops".....all that appears to have changed is their nationality markers.

I wonder if it matters that they were all the way over in Tripoli at the time of the inheritance?

Another curious aside - some other previously Castile-Leonese provinces are now French, some independent....so it would appear that some Spanish generals preferred to join a Catholic faction...or not to join any....

**Aldgilles** · 02-04-2008, 01:55

My best guess is that another one of their princesses was married to a French prince (so he inherited some of the lands, too). But those bishops, I have no idea.

**seireikhaan** · 02-04-2008, 02:13

Honestly, I have absolutely no clue. I'm utterly baffled as to why you inherited two religious agents who are both still spewing that "heresy" they originally were paid to spew.

Really odd indeed, I've never heard anything like it.

**Martok** · 02-04-2008, 04:45

That's pretty darned odd about those two Catholic bishops, man. I'll rummage through my brain to make sure, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

Originally Posted by bamff

Another curious aside - some other previously Castile-Leonese provinces are now French, some independent....so it would appear that some Spanish generals preferred to join a Catholic faction...or not to join any....

1.) It's entirely possible that the French have prince married to a Spanish princess as well.

2.) You won't necessarily inherit *all* a former faction's lands, even if your king/prince is married to the only living princess from that faction.

I can personally vouch for this, as it's happened to me in reverse: When I've suffered civil wars as a result of my faction leader dying without a direct heir, a number of my provinces have sometimes switched to a different faction. In every single case, it was because I'd married princesses into those factions.

**seireikhaan** · 02-04-2008, 05:00

Hey Bamff, I don't suppose there's any way that we could get a screenie of those two bishops, is there? I'm very curious as to what that's lookin' like.

**bamff** · 02-04-2008, 06:18

Will see what I can sort out kamikhaan - one thing that I will have to sort is the screenies thing. I had a program on the old beast that I used to convert TGA's to jpg format...not sure what I will wind up doing on the lappy....

**ArtistofWarfare** · 02-19-2008, 00:14

Originally Posted by Martok

That's pretty darned odd about those two Catholic bishops, man. I'll rummage through my brain to make sure, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

1.) It's entirely possible that the French have prince married to a Spanish princess as well.

2.) You won't necessarily inherit *all* a former faction's lands, even if your king/prince is married to the only living princess from that faction.

I can personally vouch for this, as it's happened to me in reverse: When I've suffered civil wars as a result of my faction leader dying without a direct heir, a number of my provinces have sometimes switched to a different faction. In every single case, it was because I'd married princesses into those factions.

I'm very cautious of marriage arrangements with other factions period.

a) If it's another princess marrying into my faction, I don't want to wind up with a pile of provinces out of nowhere that I can't control...I mean, some would be nice, but not like what the OP here went through. Definitely not until I'm pretty powerful and can control these acquisitions.

b) I just don't ever like marrying my princess into another faction. She's my princess, if we can't form an alliance without her- we can't form an alliance. The big reservation though is of course...being lunged into civil war and simultaneously losing a percentage of my provinces in 1 turn.

c) I like my princesses to be spies, while maintaining their mobility around the campaign map so that I can bring them home and marry them to a General of mine if the need arises. I just feel more comfortable using my daughters as loyalty boosters than alliance makers.

**Martok** · 02-19-2008, 03:43

Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare

I'm very cautious of marriage arrangements with other factions period.

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c) I like my princesses to be spies, while maintaining their mobility around the campaign map so that I can bring them home and marry them to a General of mine if the need arises. I just feel more comfortable using my daughters as loyalty boosters than alliance makers.

Ditto that. Ever since that campaign I mentioned (in which I lost provinces to other factions when I plunged into civil war), I almost never allow my princesses to marry into other factions, instead hitching them to good generals/governors who are of only so-so loyalty. I'll only marry them into another faction if:

1.) I really really *really* want an alliance with them
2.) I want to help keep that faction alive (they're a usefull ally/buffer state/etc.)
3.) I have a princess to spare (i.e., I don't need her to marry one of my generals)