To inherit or not, that is the question...

**Martok** · 02-04-2008, 04:45

That's pretty darned odd about those two Catholic bishops, man. I'll rummage through my brain to make sure, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

Originally Posted by bamff

Another curious aside - some other previously Castile-Leonese provinces are now French, some independent....so it would appear that some Spanish generals preferred to join a Catholic faction...or not to join any....

1.) It's entirely possible that the French have prince married to a Spanish princess as well.

2.) You won't necessarily inherit *all* a former faction's lands, even if your king/prince is married to the only living princess from that faction.

I can personally vouch for this, as it's happened to me in reverse: When I've suffered civil wars as a result of my faction leader dying without a direct heir, a number of my provinces have sometimes switched to a different faction. In every single case, it was because I'd married princesses into those factions.

**seireikhaan** · 02-04-2008, 05:00

Hey Bamff, I don't suppose there's any way that we could get a screenie of those two bishops, is there? I'm very curious as to what that's lookin' like.

**bamff** · 02-04-2008, 06:18

Will see what I can sort out kamikhaan - one thing that I will have to sort is the screenies thing. I had a program on the old beast that I used to convert TGA's to jpg format...not sure what I will wind up doing on the lappy....

**bamff** · 02-11-2008, 04:57

As promised...here, for your viewing pleasure are two catholic bishops who were "flexible" enough to swear allegiance to an Orthodox king!

**Martok** · 02-11-2008, 05:14

That is just funky, bamff.

Now that I've gotten a look at these two gentlemen, I have a possible theory as to why they might not have disappeared. Given that both bishops have 4 stars, the odds are probably pretty good that they're hero units. Now I've not really paid sufficient attention to be sure, but I have a feeling that perhaps hero *agents* live on, even if their faction dissolves.

No idea if this theory actually holds water, but it could explain why those bishops are still around.

**Ravencroft** · 02-18-2008, 16:08

NICE there...

Although I could also argue that agents, don't die when placed under your command.

**predaturd** · 02-18-2008, 17:58

first congratulations you have increased your strenght and lands noticeably with diplomacy

now what i think you should do is carry on with your great diplomatic play :)

**ArtistofWarfare** · 02-19-2008, 00:14

Originally Posted by Martok

That's pretty darned odd about those two Catholic bishops, man. I'll rummage through my brain to make sure, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

1.) It's entirely possible that the French have prince married to a Spanish princess as well.

2.) You won't necessarily inherit *all* a former faction's lands, even if your king/prince is married to the only living princess from that faction.

I can personally vouch for this, as it's happened to me in reverse: When I've suffered civil wars as a result of my faction leader dying without a direct heir, a number of my provinces have sometimes switched to a different faction. In every single case, it was because I'd married princesses into those factions.

I'm very cautious of marriage arrangements with other factions period.

a) If it's another princess marrying into my faction, I don't want to wind up with a pile of provinces out of nowhere that I can't control...I mean, some would be nice, but not like what the OP here went through. Definitely not until I'm pretty powerful and can control these acquisitions.

b) I just don't ever like marrying my princess into another faction. She's my princess, if we can't form an alliance without her- we can't form an alliance. The big reservation though is of course...being lunged into civil war and simultaneously losing a percentage of my provinces in 1 turn.

c) I like my princesses to be spies, while maintaining their mobility around the campaign map so that I can bring them home and marry them to a General of mine if the need arises. I just feel more comfortable using my daughters as loyalty boosters than alliance makers.

**Martok** · 02-19-2008, 03:43

Originally Posted by ArtistofWarfare

I'm very cautious of marriage arrangements with other factions period.

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c) I like my princesses to be spies, while maintaining their mobility around the campaign map so that I can bring them home and marry them to a General of mine if the need arises. I just feel more comfortable using my daughters as loyalty boosters than alliance makers.

Ditto that. Ever since that campaign I mentioned (in which I lost provinces to other factions when I plunged into civil war), I almost never allow my princesses to marry into other factions, instead hitching them to good generals/governors who are of only so-so loyalty. I'll only marry them into another faction if:

1.) I really really *really* want an alliance with them
2.) I want to help keep that faction alive (they're a usefull ally/buffer state/etc.)
3.) I have a princess to spare (i.e., I don't need her to marry one of my generals)

**ArtistofWarfare** · 02-19-2008, 04:19

Originally Posted by Martok

Ditto that. Ever since that campaign I mentioned (in which I lost provinces to other factions when I plunged into civil war), I almost never allow my princesses to marry into other factions, instead hitching them to good generals/governors who are of only so-so loyalty. I'll only marry them into another faction if:

1.) I really really *really* want an alliance with them
2.) I want to help keep that faction alive (they're a usefull ally/buffer state/etc.)
3.) I have a princess to spare (i.e., I don't need her to marry one of my generals)

And especially during times of expansion, due to the need to garrison and issue new titles to new governors.

I find them to be extremely useful in general...