Why Epirus instead of Illyria?

[Scundoo]

a map

[Elmetiacos]

Actually, what is today's Albania would be about the size and position of Epirus (speaking purely geographical terms, not ethnical or cultural). Antiquity's Illyria would be more or less Ex-Yugoslavia.
So yes, you seem kinda racist (no offense).

For this reason it always puzzles me that Albanians identify with the Illyrians rather than the Epirotes, to the extent that Albanian websites even have the identifier .il
Can anyone explain why this is?

[keravnos]

Because present day Albania is where the Illyrians fled to after having their territories being taken over by mostly Slavic invaders, much later than EB timeline.

-thanks for the map Scundoo-

[Hax]

Because present day Albania is where the Illyrians fled to after having their territories being taken over by mostly Slavic invaders, much later than EB timeline.

So those Albanians saying Alexandros III was Albanian came never even near the truth?

[keravnos]

There was a lot of inter-marrying among the Royal houses, so there was deffinitely Illyrian blood in Alexander III, as well as Thraikian. Imagine Victorian like marrying among the Royal houses of the time.

However, his father was Phillipos B of the Temenids dynasty of Makedonia with Herakles as a divine ancestor, his mother Olympias from the Aiakides dynasty of Epeiros with Neoptolemos, son of Achilles as a divine ancestor. Both were Greeks.

Alexandros III of Makedonia was educated by Aristoteles, in my opinion the single best philosopher/scientist that Hellenism produced. One of his works "of Geography" translated into Latin in 1430's has this to say... "Earth is a small place, and it is entirely possible that one can sail around it and can reach the point of origin". Christopher Colombus must have read that. Alexandros III did too.

Alexandros III was Greek, of both greek parents, greek ancestry, greek speaking, and brought greek thought on the whole of the world. His genious made Hellenistic world possible.

Albanians of today and FyroMacedonians of today can claim Alexandros all they want. They are simply wrong. I would say

stinking liars,

, but that is for any thinking person to decide.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, finding Epirus is easy. You just look for the gap in Philip II's empire. As to who can claim ownership of Alexander III, well no one can. He doesn't seem to have any decendants.

Maybe Egypt, given that they have Alexandria.

[Vorian]

He doesn't seem to have any decendants.

That bastard Cassander

[Elmetiacos]

Alexandros III of Makedonia was educated by Aristoteles, in my opinion the single best philosopher/scientist that Hellenism produced. One of his works "of Geography" translated into Latin in 1430's has this to say... "Earth is a small place, and it is entirely possible that one can sail around it and can reach the point of origin". Christopher Colombus must have read that. Alexandros III did too.

Columbus took the smallest possible assessment of the size of the Earth, in total contradiction to Eratosthenes and most others. He was a crank who got lucky.

[keravnos]

Well, finding Epirus is easy. You just look for the gap in Philip II's empire. As to who can claim ownership of Alexander III, well no one can. He doesn't seem to have any decendants.

Maybe Egypt, given that they have Alexandria.

Funny you should say that. An afghan working in the office of a friend of mine has absolutely no qualms about it. Alexandros was greek, his people lived in Afghanistan for centuries, and his memory is very much alive there. He did find it insulting, however, when the Slavs in our Northern borders claimed him and asked why didn't Greek government did something about it.

Tell you what, Alexandros belongs to the Afghanis, their Iskandar, given that they have at least 5 Alexandreias on their soil.

One can be shown below, along with probable locations of IndoGreek cities founded after his time.


Personally, I would have no problem whatsoever if an Afghani were to come forth and claim Alexandros, as his wife was Afghan, and his kid had he lived would be half Afghan much like Antiochos I (son of Seleukos I) was.

The Slavic population of what is now called FYROMacedonia, however has absolutely NO RELATION WHATSOEVERto Megas Alexandros, nor his people. Back when they entered the area at 7th century CE they were Bulgars. Then they were Vardars,


(a Yugoslavian stamp of 1939 depicting their country, called Vardarska). And then, when Tito the Communist leader took over, they became "Macedonia" in order to claim the spoils of the civil war (aka Greek Makedonia) that was going on between Greek government and communist guerillas.

U.S. is now helping to further the cause of Tito's failed gambit. I really don't understand how US is ACTIVELY promoting a failed communist cause. Why don't they help Castro family cement its authority, too?

[General Appo]

They used to, remember?

[Aranor]

U.S. is now helping to further the cause of Tito's failed gambit. I really don't understand how US is ACTIVELY promoting a failed communist cause. Why don't they help Castro family cement its authority, too?

I wouldn't put it past them.

[Irishmafia2020]

Castro had his chance... Of he would have been a capitalist dictator he would still be in power! Oh wait....

[Barry Soteiro]

I think the illyrians were mostly "bolossed" by the epirotes

[/Bean\]

I think you need to look around the fact that Epiros was bested by the romans. Epiros would have become a much bigger player in the mediterrainian had Pyrros not had to face the romans outside Tarentum. If Epiros had had the freedom to concentrate their forces elsewhere who knows how powerful they could have been? Whereas in contrast the Illyrians were a tribal pirate nation...maybe with some potential, but unlikely to ever become a world power. All in all i think epiros is included and not Illyria just because its about what they could have been, not what they were. Games are about changing history's path

[artavazd]

Kervanos, I was going over the names, and their meanings and I found three really quickly that has the same meanings as in Armenian.

to name a few:

Greek: Agathon ( wealth) Armenian: Agah (greedy)

Greek: Beroe (bring) Armenian: ber (bring)

Greek: meno (to last) Armenian: mena (stay, stay put)

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Not to forget, Pyrrhos was considered the second greatest general in history (until then, that is) by no one less than Hannibal.

Indeed. Pyrrhos was beaten by superior Roman logistics - the Romans could replace their losses more quickly than the Greeks.

[Ayce]

a Yugoslavian stamp of 1939 depicting their country, called Vardarska.

In Aromanian, the languages Bulgarian and Macedonian have similar forms to that.

U.S. is now helping to further the cause of Tito's failed gambit. I really don't understand how US is ACTIVELY promoting a failed communist cause.

Don't you know conflict is profitable?

Anyway there is no way to effectively represent Illyria while still keeping the game balanced.

[The Persian Cataphract]

Kervanos, I was going over the names, and their meanings and I found three really quickly that has the same meanings as in Armenian.

to name a few:

Greek: Agathon ( wealth) Armenian: Agah (greedy)

Greek: Beroe (bring) Armenian: ber (bring)

Greek: meno (to last) Armenian: mena (stay, stay put)

Hehe, let the resident Iranophile elaborate a bit more on the lingual similarities:

Wealth: Âdan/Âdanîh

Bring/Bear/Bearer: Bar/Burdâr

Stay/Linger/House/Dwelling: Mând/Mân

Here's a Jägerbomb for the three giants of the Antiquity

[artavazd]

Hehe, let the resident Iranophile elaborate a bit more on the lingual similarities:

Wealth: Âdan/Âdanîh

Bring/Bear/Bearer: Bar/Burdâr

Stay/Linger/House/Dwelling: Mând/Mân

Here's a Jägerbomb for the three giants of the Antiquity

The more I study Lingustics and the cultures of these three people the more I see a common root in them.

This is generalizing it, but when I look at the lingusitics and cultures of the three people its like Armenian is the missing link between Greek and Iranian, and Phrygian (they dont culturaly exist anymore) are the missing link between Armenians and Greeks