Election '08: Super Tuesday

[Lemur]

What is it, 21 states voting on one day? Who thought that was a good idea?

[Ice]

Paul

McCain will win though. I can tolerate that.

[Caius]

What is it, 21 states voting on one day? Who thought that was a good idea?

I do think its a good one. I'm tired to see US polls with the same to select, the same answer, and no GAH!.

[Lemur]

Look at that list of names. Aren't they all a little Gah? Why do you need your Gah spelled out and explicit? Find your inner Gah, and all will be well.

[Marshal Murat]

I'm going with Obama, as I have done, and will do. I'm just surprised that Edwards dropped out, rather than play 'kingmaker' as the Drudge Report goes.

[Lemur]

I'm torn. I want McCain to be the Repub nominee and Obama to be the Dem nominee. I'm okay with Romney, and Ron Paul would be tremendous fun. The only serious contender I'm dead set against is Billary.

I guess I'll vote for Obama this time, since he's a bigger underdog than McCain right now.

[KukriKhan]

So, from your list, I assume that you assume Rudy and Huck-Chuck are both out before next week?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Give it up, guys. We all know who's going to win.

[KukriKhan]

Bwa-ha-ha! Were'd ya find that?

[Crazed Rabbit]

You know, Louis, although you may see connections between Hillary and a different , current, President, remember that Billary would say and do anything to become presdient, depending on what they think would work. They mold their positions on the latest polls - they have no real principles.

And Hillary would go down so very hard against McCain.

CR

PS I voted Paul.

[CountArach]

lol, nice picture Louis... I'm gonna get nightmares...

New Rasmussen poll in Connecticut:
Obama - 40%
Clinton - 40%
Edwards - 11%

This could be a fluke, but its certainly a nice thought.

Now, what about Edwards dropping out? Who will this help? I would assume that in the South it would help Hillary because she is then hte White candidate, however I think that elsewhere in the US it would help Obama because he can pick up all of the liberals who were following Edwards and want the next-most-liberal choice.

[woad&fangs]

If I remember correctly, Obama said that he would make Edwards his attorney general, so Edwards supporters would most likely support Obama unless Hillary names Edwards as her top choice for either that or VP.

McCain seems to be in the lead for the republicans so I'd vote Obama.

Did anyone see the videoclip of Romney saying "Who let the dogs out, who, who." during a photo-op with black voters in Florida? That was pretty sad to see a gaff from such a smart guy.

[Xiahou]

Since there's no "Gah", I'll do the next best thing and lodge a protest vote for Paul.

[seireikhaan]

If I remember correctly, Obama said that he would make Edwards his attorney general, so Edwards supporters would most likely support Obama unless Hillary names Edwards as her top choice for either that or VP.

McCain seems to be in the lead for the republicans so I'd vote Obama.

Did anyone see the videoclip of Romney saying "Who let the dogs out, who, who." during a photo-op with black voters in Florida? That was pretty sad to see a gaff from such a smart guy.

I posted it in the "funny politica pictures" thread"

[Vladimir]

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Oh yes, thanks Louis for making me soil myself.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Last night's debate was the last straw.

McCain is incompetent. I think that he may be moderately retarded. His inability to answer simple economic questions without naming other, smarter people who are supporting him is infuriating. His topic changes when he doesn't want to answer to criticism makes me grind my teeth. I have never loathed a Republican this much.

I will vote for him ONLY in the eventuality of a Clinton nomination. I now believe the G.O.P. and it's constituency to be a dying breed in this election.

The only thing that would drive me to vote for McCain is his more likely appointment of strict constitutionalist judges. I'm approaching a realization that Obama would be even better for our economy than that windbag codger. This is a sad turn of events, even more sad for the Republican party. Romney is finished and so is my flirtation with the G.O.P. for the next 4 years.

McCain belongs in a museum, not the White House. Same with the G.O.P. this round.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Last night's debate was the last straw.

McCain is incompetent. I think that he may be moderately retarded. His inability to answer simple economic questions without naming other, smarter people who are supporting him is infuriating. His topic changes when he doesn't want to answer to criticism makes me grind my teeth. I have never loathed a Republican this much.

I will vote for him ONLY in the eventuality of a Clinton nomination. I now believe the G.O.P. and it's constituency to be a dying breed in this election.

The only thing that would drive me to vote for McCain is his more likely appointment of strict constitutionalist judges. I'm approaching a realization that Obama would be even better for our economy than that windbag codger. This is a sad turn of events, even more sad for the Republican party. Romney is finished and so is my flirtation with the G.O.P. for the next 4 years.

McCain belongs in a museum, not the White House. Same with the G.O.P. this round.

The GOP is not dead -- it's just swinging over to the blue-blood CC wing again. There is no articulate and passionate leader for true conservatism at the moment. G.W. Bush, whatever his strengths as a leader, is -- at least when the rubber hits the road -- a big government Republican in the mode of Ford or Nixon or his Father. Since we lack a Goldwater or Reagan to take up the gauntlet, the "establishment" GOP -- a group reasonably similar to old-style JFK and pre-JFK Democrats in goals and methods -- are going to select the nominee. These "establishment" types tend to linger in positions of power, build compromise, go along to get along, trend toward the liberal side in social issues (though not econ or fopo), accept the primacy of the federal government etc., and so they are the more consistent representation of the GOP unless someone wakes up the more conservative but more quiescent base and takes up the role of standard bearer. Nobody fits that bill this time, and so....

[ICantSpellDawg]

I agree. DEAD is a strong word. Dormant is probably better. McCain will be a good fall guy in this election, then we don't have to hear from him again 4 years from now.

I wish things went better for Romney. I firmly believe that he is the best choice to lead the country, but I see his campaign as having made almost unavoidable errors (such as the pro-life issue) and others that were much more avoidable.

The American voting public in general doesn't seem to know their asses from their elbows. The G.O.P. is literally going to nominate a testament to their old, failed, ignorant caricature painted by the left in: John McCain.

New ideas? Smart ways out of old problems? Thems lefty ideauhs.

Romney is a smart business man. He would be well served to jump ship now or at least stop contributing to his own campaign. Leave Huckabee and McCain to get nasty with each other and further cement their impending doom.

[macsen rufus]

Being "out of the jurisdiction" I won't sully the vote, however, I'd like to ask opinions on Rudi bombing out, and how his campaign "strategy" appeared to you folks over the pond?

From my perspective, when I heard that his great plan was to ignore the early States and pitch it all on Florida, I thought "That's a sure-fire recipe for failure" - it comes across as though he was telling one lot they didn't really count, and the others he was taking for granted. I have no opinions on his policies etc, I haven't followed them, just his strategy - which seemed to be extremely dumb. Anyone else agree?

[Vladimir]

Being "out of the jurisdiction" I won't sully the vote, however, I'd like to ask opinions on Rudi bombing out, and how his campaign "strategy" appeared to you folks over the pond?

From my perspective, when I heard that his great plan was to ignore the early States and pitch it all on Florida, I thought "That's a sure-fire recipe for failure" - it comes across as though he was telling one lot they didn't really count, and the others he was taking for granted. I have no opinions on his policies etc, I haven't followed them, just his strategy - which seemed to be extremely dumb. Anyone else agree?

Completely; especially with our attention span. You can only play on 9/11 for so long. You can only play cheap if you play smart. After a while we were all saying: Rooty who?

[Vladimir]

We are the world...

[JimBob]

We are the world...

OH **** HE'D TALK TO THE ISLAMS, HE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND BLOW UP THE WHITE HOUSE.

Nowhere does it say he'll bend over backwards and do whatever they said, he said he'd have a dialog. He'd treat them like humans, not villains out of a James Bond movie. Maybe if we're seen as willing to talk anti-Americanism might have less support, bombing sure hasn't been a success. It's easier to be angry at people who are bombing you than who are trying to talk.

[Lemur]

It's a good thing we never talked to the Soviets during the Cold War, too. Oh, wait ...

[Lemur]

Looks as though some very old-fashioned conservatives are warming to the "empty suit":

Jeffrey Hart sat at his kitchen table in slippers, reading Barack Obama's words aloud. The retired Dartmouth professor, a former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon, wore on his shirt an artifact of the 1900 Republican presidential ticket -- a McKinley-Roosevelt pin.

“I am not opposed to all wars,” Hart intoned, quoting a 2002 speech before the Illinois State Legislature in which Obama, then a state senator, had warned of the perils of invading Iraq. “I'm opposed to dumb wars.” Looking up from the page, Hart nodded his approval.

“Very Burkian,” he said, referring to the 18th century Irish political writer Edmund Burke, hailed by many as the founder of modern conservatism. “Prudential. A sense of history, and what we're up against there.”

Hart wore another campaign pin on his shirt: It displayed a now-familiar rising sun, and the words Obama '08.

The 2008 presidential campaign has not been short on surprises, some of which have confounded the physics of the political universe: former Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Lieberman endorsing GOP front-runner John McCain, or Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Capitol Hill veteran, spurning the Clinton machine to support Obama's upstart candidacy.

But even in this unsettled campaign season, the conversion of Hart -- speechwriter for two Republican presidents, former writer for the National Review, and patron saint of the notorious Dartmouth Review -- to Obama's banner is cause for a double take. Nancy Hart said she believes her husband is emblematic of a larger class of old-school Republicans disenchanted with the status quo.

“People who are disgusted with Bush,” she said. “A lot of them are.”

And so it is that Jeffrey Hart counts himself a member of Obama's “new American majority” -- a group of voters the Illinois senator says are fed up with the partisan excesses and wrangling of the last two decades and eager for a practical, cooperative approach to the issues that have divided Washington.

“It turns out that these political parties are not always either liberal or conservative, Democratic or Republican,” Hart, a 77-year-old with thick white hair who lives in Lyme, said in an interview at his home yesterday. “The Democrat, under certain conditions, can be the conservative.”

[Xiahou]

Looks as though some very old-fashioned conservatives are warming to the "empty suit":

Yup. It seems there are lots of people who should know better that like Obama simply for the fact that he can read a good speech.

I remember posting elsewhere that Obama was rated as the 10th most liberal member of the Senate in 2006. Well, the 2007 numbers are now in and last year, Obama was the number one liberal in the senate. But, you know, he makes good speeches- so I'm sure there won't be anything divisive about his administration.

Personally, I think voters are being sold a bill of goods by Obama. But, they only have themselves to blame by basing their opinions of him almost entirely on a couple speeches and some soundbytes.

[Vladimir]

“I am not opposed to all wars,” Hart intoned, quoting a 2002 speech before the Illinois State Legislature in which Obama, then a state senator, had warned of the perils of invading Iraq. “I'm opposed to dumb wars.” Looking up from the page, Hart nodded his approval.

America: You're dumb.

Iraq: No, you're dumb.

Seriously...

It's a good thing we never talked to the Soviets during the Cold War, too. Oh, wait ...

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“Once I’m elected, I want to organize a summit in the Muslim world, with all the heads of state, to have an honest discussion about ways to bridge the gap that grows every day between Muslims and the West.”


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There comes a time
When we head a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying
And it's time to lend a hand to life
The greatest gift of all

We can't go on
Pretneding day by day
That someone, somewhere will soon make a change
We are all a part of
God's great big family
And the truth, you know love is all we need

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

Send them your heart
So they'll know that someone cares
And their lives will be stronger and free
As God has shown us by turning stone to bread
So we all must lend a helping hand

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

When you're down and out
There seems no hope at all
But if you just believe
There's no way we can fall
Well, well, well, well, let us realize
That a change will only come
When we stand together as one

[Chorus]
We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

[Lemur]

America: You're dumb.

Iraq: No, you're dumb.

Seriously...

So calling a war "dumb" equates countries insulting each other? Whatever floats yer boat.

Xiahou, it must be strangely pleasant to have nobody left to argue for, only people to argue against. Interestingly, when the votes are tabulated by a liberal group, Obama scores as one of the less liberal Senators. Funny how the numbers stack up depending on which partisan is frothing at the mouth.

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