The Pope must die

**ArtistofWarfare** · 02-03-2008, 01:11

I made a thread that relates to this just a few minutes ago....

1133 mid campaign questions thread...

I have to go ahead and call the Pope in my game simply a Puppet as well. He serves the interests of himself and his allies, not Catholicism.

I am awaiting answers to questions to decide where to go from here, but I very well may be going after his throat quite soon here too...

**Kenshin the vega bound** · 02-05-2008, 16:07

Well the Pope has come back 4 times, and each time I've sent him back into the sea. Each time he comes back with more, and more stacks. He went a whole 35 years without coming back, one time. Perhaps there Catholic horde are starting to think twice about visting itally.

Anyway upgrading rome to a castle has helped a bit, since the pope always loses thosands of troops taking it.

**Kenshin the vega bound** · 02-15-2008, 00:17

The adventure came to a suddenly halt. I didnt have any heirs.

I was dealing with the 5th wave of papal troops. High papal revolts are a lot tougher than early ones. Also this one was like 5 stacks big. The revolts where getting bigger, and bigger I am going to have to start this all over again.

Its a shame as I was well on the way to winning a GA victory

**Aldgilles** · 02-15-2008, 15:16

The adventure came to a suddenly halt. I didnt have any heirs.

I feel your pain; years ago I had a very good Polish campaign running only to run out of heirs. Imagine the disappointment to get this 'you lose' message while thinking you are winning!

Ever since when there were no heirs I used the .unfreeze. cheat, unfair I know but to lose because your king isn't reproducing is more than I can bare!

**caravel** · 02-15-2008, 18:09

Personally I never use unfreeze, if my empire fails due to a lack of heirs I tend to just accept it and restart. Also it always seems to be when you're down to your last celibate, horseshoe sucking 60 year old that you need unfreeze the most but he's usually unwilling to postpone the cemetary for another 16 years.

**Jxrc** · 02-15-2008, 18:21

Never used unfreeze (don't know how

). In any event, if your king is 60 and you have no heir, you will have an awful time reloading the games and awfult lot of times until the heir matures ....

Usually I do not have too much trouble getting an heir (unless if I start an English campaign in Early and if the first king is 28 or 29 rather than 38 ... go figure ...). Nevertheless it can be a pain in the neck when you've got a king with great heirs that only dies when he is 68 if you discover that almost all the princes who have been married for ages have no heir at all when they become king in their later 40's .... So much fun to see all those six and seven star princes disappear one after the other to rule the realm for just a few years .... Of course the last of your princes will finally manage to get an heir with just two stars and nice v&v such as secret pride, chinless wonder, etc ...

**Tony Furze** · 02-16-2008, 06:07

What s "ünfreeze"?

Anyway, I must have seen that end-of-Campaign-because-of-no-heirs umpteen times.Its usually the reason why I have to keep starting again.

Ontopic, I always target the Pope when Im playing a Muslim faction-I ve made it an extra unofficial GA goal.