The Pope must die

[Jxrc]

Never used unfreeze (don't know how). In any event, if your king is 60 and you have no heir, you will have an awful time reloading the games and awfult lot of times until the heir matures ....

Usually I do not have too much trouble getting an heir (unless if I start an English campaign in Early and if the first king is 28 or 29 rather than 38 ... go figure ...). Nevertheless it can be a pain in the neck when you've got a king with great heirs that only dies when he is 68 if you discover that almost all the princes who have been married for ages have no heir at all when they become king in their later 40's .... So much fun to see all those six and seven star princes disappear one after the other to rule the realm for just a few years .... Of course the last of your princes will finally manage to get an heir with just two stars and nice v&v such as secret pride, chinless wonder, etc ...

[Tony Furze]

What s "ünfreeze"?

Anyway, I must have seen that end-of-Campaign-because-of-no-heirs umpteen times.Its usually the reason why I have to keep starting again.

Ontopic, I always target the Pope when Im playing a Muslim faction-I ve made it an extra unofficial GA goal.

[Martok]

What s "ünfreeze"?

If you type in the ".unfreeze." cheat code, a male heir will automatically be born the next year. People tend to use it when their faction leader is getting up there in years but hasn't produced an heir yet.

Ontopic, I always target the Pope when Im playing a Muslim faction-I ve made it an extra unofficial GA goal.

Good man.

As someone who enjoys playing the Eggies a lot -- and therefore have been on the receiving end of more Crusades than I care to count -- I have to say that taking out the Papacy is often a great pleasure for me.

[Dark Water]

Hey there good luck with the future attempts of domination but your post has got me thinking, is there any use in controlling the papacy e.g. can you control who goes on crusades or excommunications?? And why does the papacy keep giving me money? Ive just started an early, hard campaign as the Spanish. Any answers would be appreciated thanks very much

[Kenshin the vega bound]

I found keeping the Pope down as the Italians pretty easy.

I am going to do something mad. I am going to go after the Pope as the Germans.

Only rule is never make peace with the Pope. I am going to rush Italy, and go straight for the pope.

I suspect that the Germans might be gangbanged on all sides, hopefully it will be interesting.

[Martok]

I found keeping the Pope down as the Italians pretty easy.

I am going to do something mad. I am going to go after the Pope as the Germans.

Only rule is never make peace with the Pope. I am going to rush Italy, and go straight for the pope.

I suspect that the Germans might be gangbanged on all sides, hopefully it will be interesting.

"Interesting" isn't the word I would use -- "excruciatingly painful" is the term that comes to my mind!

[Tony Furze]

We could have a competition called "Rush the Pope". Each one of us has a different faction and see who gets him first. Bonus points for keeping him out of the game...Extra points for a successful assassination...minor points for getting the Pope s minions.

[Martok]

Hey there good luck with the future attempts of domination but your post has got me thinking, is there any use in controlling the papacy e.g. can you control who goes on crusades or excommunications??

No. Destroying the Papal faction and setting up a puppet pope does not allow you to influence/control Crusades or ex-coms. If the Papacy is destroyed, all current excommunications are cancelled and no more Crusades can be launched (unless/until the Pope re-emerges).

And why does the papacy keep giving me money? Ive just started an early, hard campaign as the Spanish. Any answers would be appreciated thanks very much

To be honest, I'm not really sure what determines which factions the Pope gives money, nor why he does it. About the only thing we know with any certainty is that he apparently only gives money to Catholic factions that can Crusade. So if you play as the Danes, Polish, or Hungarians, you won't get any money from him.

Aside from that, however, the question is something of a mystery.

[Innocentius]

To be honest, I'm not really sure what determines which factions the Pope gives money, nor why he does it. About the only thing we know with any certainty is that he apparently only gives money to Catholic factions that can Crusade. So if you play as the Danes, Polish, or Hungarians, you won't get any money from him.

Aside from that, however, the question is something of a mystery.

Well, pious kings tend to get more money from the Pope - that and kingdoms who wage wars against Muslims/Pagans. I almost always recieve a gift from the Pope shortly after invading a non-Christian province. Sometimes just being pious and leaving your Catholic brethren alone seems to be enough though, as both the HRE and the English usually receive a lot of money in Early, and none of these factions have an opportunity to fight pagans right away.

[Martok]

Well, pious kings tend to get more money from the Pope - that and kingdoms who wage wars against Muslims/Pagans. I almost always recieve a gift from the Pope shortly after invading a non-Christian province. Sometimes just being pious and leaving your Catholic brethren alone seems to be enough though, as both the HRE and the English usually receive a lot of money in Early, and none of these factions have an opportunity to fight pagans right away.

True, but both factions (English & HRE) are often at war with other Catholic factions, so I rather doubt that being "good" to your Catholic neighbors has much to do with the Pope giving those factions money. You may be right about their kings' piety, however -- I've never really thought to check that.

[Dark Water]

Many thanks for the info...