Ah, Pinal County, AZ - Or Why I Hate Government

[Crazed Rabbit]

Watch the video (hosted by Drew Carey!):
http://reason.tv/video/show/59.html

And comment. Pay close attention to the amount of money the Bells have been fined or forced to spend.

CR

[seireikhaan]

Utterly ridiculous-whoever re-enacted that ordinace should be fired.

[Tribesman]

And comment.

So what .
Its a business , if its a business it has to comply with local regulations , if you don't like the local regulations then don't open one there , if you do want to open one there then either comply with the regulations or get the regulations changed before you open for business .

Pay close attention to the amount of money the Bells have been fined or forced to spend.

They were not forced to spend anything , if they wanted a business there then they should have allocated all that money in their business plan to ensure they were compliant with all regulations . It was their choice .
As for the fines , well it appears they are for breaking the rules , going by that video they are still of their own choice racking up fines for breaking the rules .

[JAG]

Well said Tribe! Cry babies, big time cry babies.

The govt did get a complaint, not as if they just decided to do it.

If I was the county govt, I would attack them with everything I had - cry babies.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So what .
Its a business , if its a business it has to comply with local regulations blah blah blah.

So, once again, you take the position of obedience and submission to whatever the government decrees.

Do you think people should never argue or try to fight the government in the courts if they disagree with something the government does?

How smoothly you ignore the fact that new regulations were added after they started their business - kind shoots your second paragraph to shreds.

Well said Tribe! Cry babies, big time cry babies.

The govt did get a complaint, not as if they just decided to do it.

If I was the county govt, I would attack them with everything I had - cry babies.

So you think it's fair for the government to fine a business because people are dancing?

That it's acceptable to use law as a bludgeon against people you don't like?

That any complaint justifies massive retaliation and exceedingly restrictive regulations?

Socialism never was about freedom, was it? It's about control. Control those scumball peasants and show them that the government will make them bend, that it doesn't matter what the situation is or who's right - only that the government will win.

CR

[Lemur]

Local governments can be the worst. Sad story. JAG, Tribes, I'm kinda shocked that you're so vehemently in support of an absurd law against dancing being used as a bludgeon against a small business. Clearly there's some hanky-panky going on, since it's not as though the neighbors are complaining.

Watch this video and give me your reaction. Once again, a small local governmental body asserts itself in the most aggressive, brutal way. But I'm guessing that since it's an individual, and not a small business, you will be appalled.

[JAG]

I think it is fair to say that I was taking the piss a little bit and I just felt like playing up to a sterotype so CR could get his angst out ;)

Gave him some pleasure I am sure.

Of course it is suspect and needs looking at, I am a liberal and one that believes in local democracy and people having more direct control over most matters, so it is clearly worrying for me, even if it isn't over here.

However as Tribe says - it is not necessarily all the govts fault. Maybe in this case it is suspect and maybe govt has a case to answer, but a lot of time in cases like this, local business' just don't wanna play by the rules or adapt to local govt legislation that is there not to punish them, but for very valid reasons.

[HoreTore]

very valid reasons.

BAH!

You know very well that there's never a valid reason to whatever local governments are doing.

Oh, and to add to the discussion - a city here in Norway, Tønsberg(which is governed by a far-right party btw), is banning the sale of hot dogs and hamburgers after midnight(or 23.00, not sure) in the weekends - to combat drunken violence...

And at the same time, they're fighting for bars to stay open longer, and let more places serve alcohol...

The joys of the local government...

[HoreTore]

Socialism never was about freedom, was it? It's about control. Control those scumball peasants and show them that the government will make them bend, that it doesn't matter what the situation is or who's right - only that the government will win.

Excuse me? When did the US turn into a socialist state? I do believe your outrage here is rather misplaced.

As for the story itself - they're idiots, pure and simple. The government, not the restaurant....

[Crazed Rabbit]

Excuse me? When did the US turn into a socialist state? I do believe your outrage here is rather misplaced.

As for the story itself - they're idiots, pure and simple. The government, not the restaurant....

JAG's a socialist, and he supports this. Of course, now that he realizes noone besides tribesy supports this he's backpedaling.

local govt legislation that is there not to punish them, but for very valid reasons.

Like banning dancing? Harassment on every aspect of their business?

Maybe we should take a skeptical eye towards all government actions, presume them 'guilty' and make them prove their innocence - make them prove their case every time.

CR

[HoreTore]

JAG's a socialist, and he supports this. Of course, now that he realizes noone besides tribesy supports this he's backpedaling.

Forget about who supports it, your capitalist government is doing it. I'd say it's much fairer to say that capitalism is based on control, based on this case.