Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Drisos]

There is something as discussing TOO much

in mafia? never! the more, the merrier!

yet, I'm still full of fear... wiseguys, lucas, mades, dons... all these creeps. they're just tooo much! It would've been nice and simple to have just 65 townies 6-7 mafia and a few pro town roles or so.. :S

EMFM hasn't been aware of the time? It's night, by far..

[The Stranger]

discussing too much? what... are you mafia...???

[scottishranger]

discussing too much? what... are you mafia...???

I think he is just saying he is tired of reading so many new posts...

For shame! I look forward to reading all of the new posts, It makes things entertaining and gives us new looks at the game.

[TevashSzat]

I think he is just saying he is tired of reading so many new posts...

For shame! I look forward to reading all of the new posts, It makes things entertaining and gives us new looks at the game.

Yep thats why. I don't have too much free time now and so I would like to spend it doing things other than going through the 3 new pages of mafia posts every day.

Thats the reason why I was so inactive in the first Capo

[Csargo]

Yep thats why. I don't have too much free time now and so I would like to spend it doing things other than going through the 3 new pages of mafia posts every day.

Thats the reason why I was so inactive in the first Capo

Well it'll be the same tomorrow, so you can either do it or not pay attention there's not really any other choice.

[KukriKhan]

Yep thats why. I don't have too much free time now and so I would like to spend it doing things other than going through the 3 new pages of mafia posts every day.

Thats the reason why I was so inactive in the first Capo

Math. 79 players + 1 game master. If each makes only 2 posts per day, that's 160 posts to review.

Look at it this way: reviewing 160+ posts per day is good training for when you become a Moderator, whether here or elsewhere. Skill-building, ya'know?

[Craterus]

The number of posts is a little daunting but it would have been silly to expect less from a game this size. EDIT: Words of wisdom above

These are my (brief) thoughts on what's happened so far:
norwegian_nerd - Hmm. It was an odd thing for him to say so early in the game but perhaps it was a newbie mistake. Not too sure why this has faded from the spotlight, I understand it's to do with giving new players the benefit of the doubt but what he said was...worth looking into, I'd say.
Glenn - It seems to me like this guy is the scummiest so far. Probably the most worthy of lynching on current evidence (Sasaki's arguments seem sound to me) and I don't really think being a new player merits a second chance or anything, might end up regretting it later.
Vigilante Groups - I don't understand the logic behind these. At this stage, they're likely to do as much harm as good, especially with the possibilities for infiltration. As has been said, no-one can know anything definite about other players at this stage, it seems odd that some think it's not risky. The recruitment methods were also a bit intimidating I thought - maybe just me. I've been approached three times and I wasn't allowed to know an awful lot about what I'd be signing up for. Just seemed a bit suspicious to me so I'm watching The Stranger, pevergreen and kamikhaan. I'm thinking it's fairly likely that one of these groups has been set up by a mafia family so yeah.

Okay, they weren't that brief but I won't be online again for a while so I thought now would be a good time to make a contribution.

[RoadKill]

btw, you were the first person to use the combination of words 'innocent' and 'townie'..

HA! All townies are innocent. As they are not the mafia. It seems that this is your first game of mafia so maybe you don't know that. And maybe you have a role that is suspectable that made you think townies weren't innocent?

[CountArach]

Sigh, I have to read like 50 posts yet again only after a day. From what I can see, GH IMO is defensive of Glenn while SK is too aggressive which implies to me that all of them might be mafia which is entirely possible since there are so many mafia families.

The best course of action then, IMO, is to wait until the results for the night has come up because I really don't want to read like 100 posts the next time I log on. There is something as discussing TOO much

Try living in a different timezone. 150 posts overnight...

It would've been nice and simple to have just 65 townies 6-7 mafia and a few pro town roles or so.. :S

That wouldn't be a true Capo game though

[LittleGrizzly]

ok so all i need is to be paranoid but trusting....

sasaki seems a bit agressive..

[Joe Monks]

Yep thats why. I don't have too much free time now and so I would like to spend it doing things other than going through the 3 new pages of mafia posts every day.

Thats the reason why I was so inactive in the first Capo

Yeah but it isn't three new pages every day :) I have been away for almost exactly 24 hours and its 7 pages.

Anyway I kind of have a question. If we lynch someone, do we find out their role after three days because of the gendarmarie or is that only for people who get killed by the mafia? Sorry for the noob question.

Joe

[ajaxfetish]

Yeah but it isn't three new pages every day :) I have been away for almost exactly 24 hours and its 7 pages.

Anyway I kind of have a question. If we lynch someone, do we find out their role after three days because of the gendarmarie or is that only for people who get killed by the mafia? Sorry for the noob question.

Joe

No harm in a noob question, but it probably belongs here https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=98632 so that Seamus will be able to notice it easily.

Ajax

[CountArach]

Anyway I kind of have a question. If we lynch someone, do we find out their role after three days because of the gendarmarie or is that only for people who get killed by the mafia? Sorry for the noob question.

Joe

From memory, we learnt their role in the first one if we lynched them.

[Northnovas]

Gah! This is too complicated! Gah!

Gah! You're all scum! Gah!

Gah... I'll just lynch you all. Stand in a nice line and the wrath of my axe!

Sigh, I have to read like 50 posts yet again only after a day. From what I can see, GH IMO is defensive of Glenn while SK is too aggressive which implies to me that all of them might be mafia which is entirely possible since there are so many mafia families.
The best course of action then, IMO, is to wait until the results for the night has come up because I really don't want to read like 100 posts the next time I log on. There is something as discussing TOO much

There are a lot of post Just catching up and I am not sure who or what is suspicious at this point other then 2 directors elected.
Are we back in the day phase waiting to hear what happened overnight if anything was suppose to happen in N1???

[Zorg]

The Australian timezone dosn't seem very useful in these mafia games lol.

Anyway, I've been reading through the topic and I've made a few assesments:

1. We shouldn't forget about Norwegian, I don't believe he has replied yet and I think if he dosn't he should be one of the first people the town lynches. Afterall, he isn't being particuarly helpful in any other ways (that I know of) and if given time we'll have more evidence about our other suspects (that is if they arn't killed).

2. Glenn seems to be a hot topic of contention, but I'm not sure the evidence towards him is as condemming as has been stated already. Thats not to say that the evidence isn't there, but I think we really shouldn't be so quick to jump to lynching him. The longer he is alive, the more likely he is to make more mistakes. Also, I'm sure some detectives are investigating him tonight, so I would like to wait until that information comes up (even if we don't know whether its true or not).

3. The Stranger seems to be quite quick to jump on people as being mafiosa, and on the whole (from what I've seen) he hasn't really provided any decent arguments or analysis. In other words he just seems to be present but not contributing, a little like how I would imagine a mafia to act.

4. Pevergreens mass group seems to be a bit of a risky venture, and the chances of infiltration sound pretty high. That is, assuming Pevergreen is innocent, if he isn't innocent he may be gaining the trust of many townies and misleading them from actualy helping the town. From what I hear, the sub-groups within his group have no member contact between them, and they are just expected to trust that Pevergreen is telling them to kill/save the right people. Pevergreen has set himself up with a lot of power, and if used for bad purposes I hate to think what could happen.

5. w&f seems quite scummy to me aswell. His aim to kill pevergreen on a "grudge" seems very suspicious to me, and although I don't know his motives I doubt those are them. Just seems very scummy (and dangerous) to me.

Thats my 2c for now from what things have stood out in the topic so far.

[Sarathos]

w&f seems quite scummy to me aswell. His aim to kill pevergreen on a "grudge"

And your concern for pevergreen is? Many people get lynched and/or killed for much less. Perhaps your just looking out for a fellow mafia buddy, because who is to say pevergreen isn't mafia and W&F isn't town and doing us all a favour?

[Zorg]

And your concern for pevergreen is? Many people get lynched and/or killed for much less. Perhaps your just looking out for a fellow mafia buddy, because who is to say pevergreen isn't mafia and W&F isn't town and doing us all a favour?

If you had read my post more carefully you would see I am accusing both of them of being scummy, there's no reason why they both aren't mafia and both have shown scummy tendencies. But in any case, I don't like the idea of townies taking these maters into their own hands so early on, and he hasn't said that is his motive anyway...


Oh and I forgot to add to my last post:

6. There seem to be a lot of players still inactive and the mafia could probably hide under that guise fairly well at the moment. I'm newer at mafia and I'm not sure what is generally done in such a case, is there any general way of dealing with lots of inactive players?

[Twilightblade]

4. Pevergreens mass group seems to be a bit of a risky venture, and the chances of infiltration sound pretty high. That is, assuming Pevergreen is innocent, if he isn't innocent he may be gaining the trust of many townies and misleading them from actualy helping the town. From what I hear, the sub-groups within his group have no member contact between them, and they are just expected to trust that Pevergreen is telling them to kill/save the right people. Pevergreen has set himself up with a lot of power, and if used for bad purposes I hate to think what could happen.

In this game zorg everything comes with a risk

My observations so far is that its too early to draw any conclusions so lets see what the night brings

[pevergreen]

WoG. You're familar with that.

Editing this post with a PM:

I still maintain that with 75 players, killing you wouldn't have been a big loss to the town and it would have made me happy but...... I'm no longer trying to vigilante you. In fact I've already got a doctor group together. I hope you realize that the truth is that I don't like you, and that is the reason I was going to kill you. Actually, I think I had enough people say they'd help kill you before Glenn Opened his big mouth.

Anyways, I do believe that trying to kill you after the first round without a good reason would hurt the town. So, you're safe from my wrath.

What do you say? truce?

Look! All shiny and right, as its quoted from W&F, not someone sending the text to me

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

In all honesty I do think Glenn, beyond his current exterior, may have the chance of being innocent. He's made a few slip ups and is exceptionally aggressive, but this seems to be his normal playing style so far. I must admit I don't like it, but it probably would be best to not allow his distracting methods to let other players out of our sight.

GH reminds me of how he acted in pevergreen's Fantasy Mafia. For those that weren't there, he was a serial killer role, under the name of "Lycan". I pointed out his silence and later his obsessive and fairly aggressive defence. He's acting like that here - possibly indicating similar mafia activity.

Moving on to norwegian nerd, I'm not really sure of his intentions. Any sane Luca/Made/Don wouldn't reveal they have a "buddy" so early on, although at the time he mentioned it it was fairly impossible for a townie group to have been established. I would prefer pressurising him to force a leak of who his "friend" is rather than lynching him at first. After that, we can move on into interrogations and, if needs be, lynch them both.

Since Zorg has brought TS up, this has been his normal playing style. I'm quite surprised I haven't been contacted by him for a townie pact though - he's done this in almost all games which I've played with him except when he's been a mafioso. This could hint in that direction, but he may have just excluded me after I pointed the FoS at him in Kung Fu mafia in April last year.

woad&fangs isn't really anybody I'm too concerned about - he may be dangerously fanatical for a townie, but regardless, he does actually seem to be an innocent of sorts. I don't like his "grudge" against pevergreen, but, as long as he doesn't have any of these "grudges" against anybody else, lynching him would probably be a pointless exercise.

[Sigurd]

Good to see that we are on the same page as when I went to bed last night.

All though Sasaki is acting in character with his aggressive interrogation techniques, I am left with the feeling that he is too much in character. I am noticing that our attention are focused on Sasaki’s suspects and that bandwagons are silently taking momentum, orchestrated by perhaps one of the most dangerous players I have ever played against.

Yes.. Sasaki is surely taking control and we have several lynch-ready suspects even before any killing has taken place.
Sasaki is establishing his public role as a conductor for this game, but we surely don’t know his real intentions. Maybe he is afraid to be investigated and need bait for the detectives? Who knows…
Undoubtedly Sasaki’s assessment of Glenn, NN and Moros etc are worth taking a closer look at for those with the abilities to do so, but we should never forget Sasaki.
He has been a wolf in sheep clothing far too many times to go unnoticed.

[Andres]

What do you think about GeneralHankerchief, Sigurd?

[Sigurd]

What do you think about GeneralHankerchief, Sigurd?

I am always wary when it comes to GH. The team GH and Sasaki is always going to be trouble. But GH acts defensive when he has a role, no matter if it is pro-town or mafia. I notice Sasaki has GH on his list, but the focus is on the others. A classic mafia play.. to put a slight focus on your buddy mafia and then let it slip silently to the background.

I am watching but IMO there is nothing much to put a finger on. GH could be detective or mafia, he will act like he does now either way.

[Zorg]

Just thought I would mention (as its relevant to your last comment Sigrud). That in Capo basically everyone "has a role", seeing as you can get a role even if you start as just a vanilla townie. So under your logic (having not been around very long I obviously can't tell if its true) GH doesn't necessarily already have a role.

[pevergreen]

Sigurd knows this.

My eye is always watchful of SK. Rule 1. And Capo 1.

[Drisos]

HA! All townies are innocent. As they are not the mafia. It seems that this is your first game of mafia so maybe you don't know that. And maybe you have a role that is suspectable that made you think townies weren't innocent?

it's by far not my first mafia game. And they are indeed innocent, as I of course knew. First, I call them 'innocent townies', which is correct, then you 'say, do non-innocent townies exist too' or so, critisizing my 'innocent townies' word combination. then when I agree that my language wasn't really clear (using 'innocent townies' is wrong, just like 'white snow', 'female queen' etc etc) but then you jump on me as I stated that some townies aren't innocent and I might be one of them.

you're just twisting truths here, and overly jumping on me to find a reason to get me lynched? why this behaviour? I love you !

edit: grrrr, Andres, I don't love him, and what I said whatsn't more then normal in a life-threathening situation! :P

[woad&fangs]

O, so we're posting PMs now, are we. In that case here is his reply.

I have 13 people on my side...:beam2:

Care to join forces?

if yes, Ill organize protection on you.

Edit:
Here is some proof that I really don't like Pevergreen and wanted him dead on a grudge and nothing more. I don't have anymore grudges that you have to worry about.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=97214

[Andres]

Ok, ok, that's enough evidence.

Can we keep our little personal vendetta's for ourselves please? They have nothing to do with CDTC II itself. Use pm's. Thnx in advance.

[Caius]

I'm sorry guys. I have been away from a pc for all these days. I'm sorry, I need to read everything. Apparently my parents want to go on holidays when CDTC starts. Happened me in CDTC 1, now again. GAH!

[Dutch_guy]

Happened me in CDTC 1, now again. GAH!

You should really sort that out with your parents, they should know better than that.