Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[PershsNhpios]

... Alright, I'm dead, so it doesn't matter so much to me anyway.

Forget my suspicion of Prollywat;

But everyone notice this, please.

JOE MONKS - A TYPICAL MAFIA POSTING STYLE

"""Select:Prole

Vote:Charge

Seems to be mafia.

Joe"""
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Has anyone noticed that Joe Monks has never in the entire game given a proper argument?
Yet he always shows up in time to jump on the bandwagon and then disappear once more.
Look at his argument, "Seems to be Mafia."

This is typical of all his arguments.

And he has usually joined the bandwagons of INNOCENTS.

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Has anyone got a thought on this?

(I am not simply grasping at obscurity, I have mentioned Joe Monks' lurking behaviour before, and it is increasingly sly).

[Joe Monks]

Hey Glenn

Lynched: (10)

pevergreen (D2), UNAFFILIATED WISEGUY - I voted for you because I thought you really were a Don.

Hannibalbarca (D3), WISEGUY [PERHAPS AFFILIATED WITH A FAMILY] VOTED FOR

Tiberius of the Drake (D3), MADE

Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), DON

I seem to have missed the above too - I have been working pretty hard for the last 2 weeks.

Andres (D5), MADE Ddn't vote for him

Xdeathfire (D6), WISEGUY [PERHAPS AFFILIATED] Abstained here

Dutch_guy (D7), LUCA Voted for him

Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), DON Voted for him

edit: searched my posts

Crazed Rabbit D10 lol no i didnt vote for the guy people said was the fbi detective.

I do not always join on the bandwagons of innocents[like this is some clearcut thing].
You are just annoyed at me for some reason like maybe I thought you were a don earlier.

Joe

[woad&fangs]

I used the thread search function to find all of Joe Monk's posts. They seem short but basically what I'd expect out of a new townie in a game this big.

[Joe Monks]

for the last three weeks or so I have been the relief manager at work. I have pulled two weeks of 70 hours each with not a single day off due to twats calling in sick.

Tomorrow is my first day off in 17 days.

I have spent most of my spare time just reading this thread to try and keep up with the game. I am a fast reader so I could easily read 3 or 4 pages in 15 mins while drinking some tea.

Any votes i missed were because I didn't actually have time to read between the phases so wasn't gonna vote.

I have two days off now so I am going to try and post some more.

Joe

[Tratorix]

Vote: Charge
Jimbob's list hasn't steered us wrong so far.

[ajaxfetish]

Sasaki Kojiro and Proletariat are joined at the hip.

Everybody distrusts Sasaki Kojiro.

Everybody trusts Proletariat.

So those are your reasons for not trusting Prole? I don't see any substantive evidence for any of them. Sasaki and Prole don't seem to be 'joined at the hip,' which by the way is a very vague figurative statement, not something you could either back up or deny with actual evidence. I think some people trust Sasaki. I think some people distrust Prole (as Kukri said, he was 'going out on a limb'). If you're going to make such strong statements, at least have some strong reasons to back them up. Most of your reasoning seems to be fervently held opinions you consider fact, but with which many of us disagree.

Ajax

btw, nightly summary to follow

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Host's Tallies:


Lynch Votes: (of 26)

Charge = 8 (BSR, CA, Crat, Joe, Kukri, Prole, Sasaki, Tinc)

WarLuster = 6 (Caius, Ferret, gibson, kage, myrd, shlin)

Scottishranger = 1 (Charge)

Abstain = 1 (True)



Selections: (of 27)

Proletariat = 10 (CA, Joe, Kage, Kukri, Prole, Sasaki, shlin, Tinc, True, ‘blade)

Abstain = 1 (Crat)

Myrddraal = 1 (Charge)

TinCow = 1 (Ferret)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:charge,vote:warluster


btw I should ask Seamus, does the new director get to decide in case of a tie?

[Twilightblade]

vote:abstain

To keep the tie

[PershsNhpios]

Fair enough Joe Monks, you will note that for the reason you gave me a neutral, composite answer and explanation - I withdraw my suspicions.

This is not true of the others who refuse to answer me and simply say I am grabbing at air, who draw my attention and further mistrust.

Ajaxfetish,

Browse back through the last few days in particular, you will find that Proletariat defended Sasaki quite steadily.
You will also find that not only has Sasaki supported Prole steadily in return;

He started this bandwagon to make her Director.

So it's not so much Prollywat.

It is why someone so mysterious and distrusted would want her Director.


Charge.

For some reason, I don't want you to die.

Why do you want ScottishRanger dead?

There have been previous suspicions on him.

[Ironside]

Been too busy to go through this tread more carefully the last few days, my mind needed elsewhere. Anyway as we seem to have a tie, then I'll keep it that way.

Vote: Abstain

Select: Proletariat

I'm fairly certain that she's got some special role and i'ts likely that it's pro-town.

[Myrddraal]

We have our double lynch! I think both targets are pretty good lynches, so if the mafia break it, we'll know who to lynch next round.

It seems like Prole is our director to be. Just to get my vote in:

Vote: Prole


Tally:

Lynch Votes: (of 26)

Charge = 7 (BSR, CA, Crat, Joe, Kukri, Prole, Tinc)

WarLuster = 7 (Caius, Ferret, gibson, kage, myrd, shlin, Sasaki)

Scottishranger = 1 (Charge)

Abstain = 1 (True)



Selections: (of 27)

Proletariat = 12 (CA, Joe, Kage, Kukri, Prole, Sasaki, shlin, Tinc, True, ‘blade, Ironside, Myrddraal)

Abstain = 1 (Crat)

Myrddraal = 1 (Charge)

TinCow = 1 (Ferret)

[Myrddraal]

Remember to post and update the tally.

[Pannonian]

Are you trying to lynch Prole, Myrddraal?

[Myrddraal]

Ah crap. Unvote: Prole


I meant:

Select: Prole

Tally (as before)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Tally:

Lynch Votes: (of 26)

Charge = 7 (BSR, CA, Crat, Joe, Kukri, Prole, Tinc)

WarLuster = 7 (Caius, Ferret, gibson, kage, myrd, shlin, Sasaki)

Scottishranger = 1 (Charge)

Abstain = 1 (True)



Selections: (of 27)

Proletariat = 12 (CA, Joe, Kage, Kukri, Prole, Sasaki, shlin, Tinc, True, ‘blade, Ironside, Myrddraal)

Abstain = 1 (Crat)

Myrddraal = 1 (Charge)

TinCow = 1 (Ferret)

[Sigurd]

How will you be able to lynch both with no director to make the decision?
What is the default option on ties? Lynching both or both go free?

[Makanyane]

Are you trying to save Warluster, Myrddraal?

I think your oops oh dear I made a mistake just invalidated your vote on him, if Seamus reads the rules as strictly as he did in the earlier case...

We have our double lynch! I think both targets are pretty good lynches, so if the mafia break it, we'll know who to lynch next round.

I do love getting to know the other families....

[Sigurd]

Are you trying to save Warluster, Myrddraal?

*shhhhhhhh*

[Charge]

Looks like Myrd trying to indeed save WL?

He voted prole and unvoted her, yet like his vote still stands on WL...

fixing...unvote: scottishranger

vote: warluster

[Proletariat]

These double lynches are the most powerful mafia tool there is

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #2991


“I used to be so certain
Of where my life was going
But now it seems that I've been flirting with disaster
Now I can see all my plans
They're dissolving in the wind
And now it seems it's time to find another road”
-- John Mark Thomas


Sunset, Day Eleven -- incomplete

JimBob seemed strangely “absent” as he went through the tallies. He’d been so avid for the destruction of the mafia that this new and “disconnected” left the tense members of the committee concerned that he was no longer the one for the job. Accordingly, JimBob was forced to step aside as director in favor of Proletariat. Selection choices had been clear, with almost all of the voting members selecting her.

The lynch vote was much closer and, as a result, was tallied and re-tallied to be certain of a clear result. Finally, JimBob stood holding the tally sheet and looking at the committee. Officers moved to flank Warluster and Charge.

“I am unable to get a true sense of this committee’s wishes. It is my preference to avoid a tie, unless we have a clear notion that such a tie is the actual desire of the committee. Accordingly, I am following Mayor TosaInu’s dictum that the resolution of the tie is my choice. I therefore choose to allow another round of voting and have that be the final decision. Should a tie occur at that point, I will consult with my successor as to a final disposition.”


OOC

1. Myrddraal's unvote of Prole left him, officially, with no registered vote as he did not re-vote Warluster. Picky, yes, but we're in the endgame so....

2. Current Director unavailable so far to PM me as to his wishes for a tie.

3. Data Backup occurring at 0900 slowing votes/participation.

4. Therefore, I extend lynch voting (only) to 1300 today (1800 GMT). All lynch votes prior that point will be counted. Here is my latest tally:

Latest Tally

Lynch Votes: (of 26)

Charge = 7 (BSR, CA, Crat, Joe, Kukri, Prole, Tinc)

WarLuster = 7 (Caius, Charge, Ferret, gibson, kage, Sasaki, shlin)

Abstain = 3 (Iron, True, ‘blade)


Selections: (15 of 27, complete)

Proletariat** = 12 (CA, Iron, Joe, Kage, Kukri, Myrd, Prole, Sasaki, shlin, Tinc, True, ‘blade)

Abstain = 1 (Crat)

Myrddraal = 1 (Charge)

TinCow = 1 (Ferret)

[TinCow]

Just to be clear: if the vote is still tied when the addition time period expires, Prole gets to decide?

[KukriKhan]

I'm happy with my vote, as it stands, though I have no preference which one is lynched (sorry, lynchee's, nothing personal). I'll be afk the next 10 hours, so you guys duke it out, if need be.

And Glenn wondered why we needed a more active director...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote:Warluster,Vote:Charge

I'm taking this:

2. Current Director unavailable so far to PM me as to his wishes for a tie.

To mean JimBob would have to break a tie, which isn't going to happen I don't think.

[Joe Monks]

My vote is so far on charge.

What is the evidence on warluster?

If they are both wiseguys then its a good idea to double lynch them. If they are not I don't fancy lynching a townie because that is one less player for the mafia to kill and I think that this one is going down to the wire.

Joe

[Drisos]

My vote is so far on charge.

it isn't you'll need to do a Vote: Charge in bold..

[TinCow]

I'm taking this:

To mean JimBob would have to break a tie, which isn't going to happen I don't think.

I'm pretty sure that this:

Should a tie occur at that point, I will consult with my successor as to a final disposition.

means that Prole would get to decide in the event of a second tie. Hence my clarification question. In any case, I don't think there's much to worry about. Whether one or both of them gets lynched, it's a good day's work.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote:charge,vote:warluster

missed that, well spotted.

[TruePraetorian]

Im still abstaining..can someone explain what both warluster and charge have against them?

EDIT: BTW, im abstaining in fear of ruining the tie.

[TinCow]

This is main thread post number

3,000

!


--SF

Im still abstaining..can someone explain what both warluster and charge have against them?

Detective results mainly, with some extra stuff on Charge that doesn't seem to be necessary for the lynch:

Charge: Cowhead - criminal N3, Anonymous for their safety - guilty N10
Warluster: CR - criminal N7

Charge has not been part of any known town vigilante group, so his N10 result makes him mafia. Combined with the early criminal result, it's a pretty obvious situation.

Warluster's late result is way too late for any townie to be found criminal. It can't be an error, since it was by the FBI detective. The only way he could be pro-town is if he started as a wiseguy, went pro-town, and never killed anyone. Yet Warluster also has never been in any known town groups.