Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[PershsNhpios]

Well, they could make a start by not electing them as Director.

[Sigurd]

Well, they could make a start by not electing them as Director.

Why do you think Prole is a mafia Don?

[Drisos]

I think Glenn isn't allowed to post an answer. (if he even has one)

[Sigurd]

I think Glenn isn't allowed to post an answer. (if he even has one)

For that to be correct he must have some concrete evidence. (i.e unrevealed detective results or pms stating that Prole is a Donna).

If not, he can speculate as any other living player.

[PershsNhpios]

For the same reasons I thought Kommodus should not be trusted.

And therefore I may prove it little.

However, I can say it is logical to allow Prollywat to prove her use to the town before she is elected their saviour.

There are more dedicated, "Pro-Township", players alive - and even still I would prefer Jimbob to anyone of them.
Yes.

Yes, he is inactive. But then he is also the only one alive who is truly proven innocent. How can he not be by the finale of this day?
An inactive Director may be useless in a tied lynch, but this is, as the Chief himself wrote; "Endgame", there are no more double lynches.

Which means the Director is a near useless position.

All we are doing is giving someone immortality - who has done nothing but push for the death of proven innocents. (By their post-mortem).

The main argument is over Prollybat's protection - a surgeon.

But Craterus, (I think), raised a very good point in that she could very easily of deceived a surgeon into protecting her.
How?
By the same manner in which she has deceived you all.

And another question has not been answered.
Is there not a law which denotes - that an attacker attempting an assault on a Donna protected by a Luca has a chance of dying?

The main argument in the end for the election of Prollywat was this;

"She was attacked several times. She does not seem Mafia. Let us protect her."

Mafia will beget Mafia. Kommodus seemed not. What has she done for us?

(What will she do for us?)

[Andres]

For what it's worth: I don't think Proletariat is mafia.

[Sigurd]

[speaking of Jimbob] Yes, he is inactive. But then he is also the only one alive who is truly proven innocent. How can he not be by the finale of this day?
An inactive Director may be useless in a tied lynch, but this is, as the Chief himself wrote; "Endgame", there are no more double lynches.

Funny you should mention this. As a proven mafia Don, even I am not so sure about the innocence of Jimbob. He has claimed to be in allegiance with you Glenn. You have claimed some sort of Crusader/Templar role. The only proof we have is a post mortem investigation on you hinting to a secret society. Other than that we have a chat log provided by pevergreen in which someone (a mafia if I am not mistaken) claims Jimbob is innocent.
Hardly conclusive at all.
It is funny that this is considered endgame with 26 players alive. In the old days, 26 players were a large game in the outset.

The main argument is over Prollybat's protection - a surgeon.

Hey Prole why don't you just reveal who you really are? The mafia already knows.
Why hide? I bet you could give the town a large portion of unrevealed data.

And another question has not been answered.
Is there not a law which denotes - that an attacker attempting an assault on a Donna protected by a Luca has a chance of dying?

I will answer it for you because I know... oh wait it is a part of my unrevealed Don pm. Sorry

[Andres]

A secret society of 3?

Hmmm... : mafia families also started with 3: Don, Luca, Made.

Why are we all assuming that Jimbob is innocent?

[Louis VI the Fat]

What a complete and utter spectacle, this last page. Town (well, crusader) playing the mafia in their hands, and the mafia seizing the opportunity to deceive the town.

Hey Prole why don't you just reveal who you really are? The mafia already knows.

You probably do know. Everybody knows why Prole must be director until the end of the game. Save for Glein. And maybe the odd mafiosi or two as well, so there will be no reveal, no matter how much Eglnn plus the mafia are pushing for it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

For the same reasons I thought Kommodus should not be trusted.

Hey Glinn, here you go, your posts about Kommodus. Kommo, whom you 'have never trusted' and whom you are now beating your chest about. I will not mention that you have fingered just about fifty people so far in this game and can hence yell 'told you so!' about everyone. I will only say that you have never placed a single vote on Kommodus, and had this to say about him in the thread:

Still also however, there is no evidence of Kommodus' guilt

I hope this confirms my investigation of CR, but it doesn't do anything for my suspicion of him.
I would like Kommodus and his Holmes to tell me what the opinion of CR is.

I'm not trying to take anyone's attention away from anyone-

But I am trying to broaden the tunnelvision of the voters here!!

Kommodus - speak up! You are the only one who agrees with me!

Also, Proletariat, who simply wants GH dead in almost every post without reason.
Then there is Kagemusha, who obviously thinks my suspicion of him dangerous enough to keep mentioning me.

Highly recommended awards go to, FactionHeir and CrazedRabbit for explicitly showing the same behaviour as Rythmic, who has been detected as suspicious by Holmes.

But, perhaps this last piece of information is incorrect.
Is Kommodus always this inactive?

PROLETARIAT

Is in no way providing an explanation for her constant, inpenetrable protection!
She is not even showing surprise at her brilliant luck!

Now, we KNOW that for the first few rounds she was constantly trying to lynch people who are now confirmed innocents.

GeneralHankerchief being one of them.

I don't like accusing someone of being a Don simply because they had only one protector - but if anyone were to be a don, it would be PROLETARIAT

Prole's early vote record: Pevergreen, GH, GH, Andres, Tran, Dutch_Guy. What innocents?

Let me wager a guess. Here's what happened: Prole was the first to finger GH. From day one right up until even until two days after Seamus write-up confirmed GH as scum, Nnelg thought that GH was innocent. In Gennl's mind this meant: 'GH -innocent, ergo, Prole - Guilty'. Somehow, Nelgn has never been able to let this go.

May the town burn.

Yes, well, the town still plans on winning this game. So would you mind not cuddling up with dead mafiosi, or PMíng them, or revealing town stuff to them?

[Andres]

Now now now, Luis XXX the Hot, don't be so harsh on your team mate.

I can tell you that Glen did not, I repeat, did not, reveal any valuable townie information through pm.

Unless you consider the "secret society" of "crusaders" to be pro-town that is.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

They've said a couple times that they have multiple win conditions.

[Andres]

They've said a couple times that they have multiple win conditions.

How about your win conditions, Mister "I'm in contact with a Made"

[GeneralHankerchief]

Classic, Louis.

[Ferret]

just want to say thanks to Ajaxfetish, his posts are keeping me up to date with this game, thanks dude.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #3045


"We are beasts
Out of the light, into the dark
Hatred grows inside of me
Like a torch it is burning high
Step into my mind….
My true face shows disharmony
I am my own reality…
Open your eyes and look"
-- Teatre


Summary, Night Eleven


Warluster had enjoyed a quiet dinner at his favorite café. Though on the committee, he had seldom voted and had only rarely spoken up with his opinion. He had been present, but had chosen not to stand out. His low profile would not be enough protection.

He was walking for his car when he saw the shrouded figures detach themselves from the shadows between and in front of the buildings across the street. Warluster raced for his car – a car he’d had retrofitted into a “Fatlington Special” with armor and bullet resistant glass. If he could get inside, he’d stand a chance and might even be able to use the car for a counterattack. He reached the door and pulled on the handle. It didn’t budge. Someone had thoughtfully spot-welded the door shut.

<>

Warluster heard the bolts of the gunmens’ weapons click back as they readied to fire. He spun himself, going for a handgun, but was much too late. He cleared his pistol from its holster, but didn’t even get it up and level before the first shells from the sustained bursts by all 5 Tommy guns slammed into him. He took more than 30 hits on his body armor along with a dozen grazes and hits in the arms and legs, slamming back into the door of the car.

Warluster was built tough. Despite the wounds, he stayed focused and brought his gun up, firing a quick double tap just before all five Tommy gunners let loose with a second burst. With wounds and shock hampering his aim, both of Warluster’s shots missed…his attackers. Draco Leman, sitting in a café on the opposite side of the street took both slugs square in the face, depositing his brains across half a dozen other café patrons. Despite all of his injuries, Warluster had still managed a tight shot group.

Warluster died more or less the same way. His attackers, by some unspoken but fully shared agreement, let their second bursts drift high. Most of the shots still hit Warlusters arms or body armor, but 3 slammed into his head bringing the tough man down.

Seconds later, a 6th shrouded gunmen jogged up.

“When’s the hit?”

His partners looked at him, then looked back at Warluster’s body.

“Oh, a bit late. Sorry.”

With the first five shaking their heads, all of them made their way back under the cloak of darkness.


Myrddraal was proving a source of vexation to the two men currently staring at him through the crosshairs of their 10X-scoped Garands. There was simply no way to get a good bead on him. He didn’t move at a consistent pace, he would seemingly effortlessly put a lamppost or step railing or group of tourists between himself and one of the shooters. His movements were unpredictable and he didn’t leave any real opening for an attack.

Then another figure walked out of an alley and confronted Myrddraal. This man was masked and clad in a jet black, high-collared frock coat bearing a silver sword pin on one collar point and a gold and red dragon on the other. He held a five-foot black wooden staff with a silvery-sharp 15” blade on one end. Myrddraal stopped and the masked figure spoke.

“Shall we dance, Eyeless?”

Myrddraal leapt back two steps as his attacker whirled the Ashenderi through a deadly arc. Despite his swift reactions, the tip of the blade had still slashed a shallow rent across the face of his thick body armor. Myrddraal slipped sideways and went for his gun as his attacker moved forward with a thrusting attack. He side-slipped that attack and hit his attacker with a pair of shots from the .38 he carried, driving him back but failing to knock him down Apparently the coat was not just for looks..

“You’ll need to do better then that, half-man!”

The bladesman moved forward with a rapid series of attacks, pressing Myrddraal and forcing him to block at least two strikes by using the revolver as a shield – it would be useless thereafter as anything else.

Coming to Myrddraal’s aid, Caeser the III darted out from the crowd of onlookers gathered at the windows and doorway of the store in front of which the two men were “dancing” and attempted to tackle the bladesman. Caeser was fast, but not quite fast enough. Just as he reached the bladesman, the ashenderi had been spun and brought back in a rapid back-spike. The blade punched through Caeser’s ribs, transfixing him sideways through the chest. Myrddraal dropped his useless gun and pulled his backup piece from a leg-holder.

Eyes wide with shock, the dying Caeser the III grabbed the bladesman’s mask and then collapsed, unmasking Myrddraal’s attacker and wrenching the ashenderi from his grip. Myrddraal stopped in surprise.

“Twilightblade?”

Whatever ‘blade's answer would have been, Myrddraal never heard it. The shock of seeing Twilightblade as his attacker had caused him to pause in place for the first time all night. Both shots struck above his left ear within an inch of each other and traveling at different deadly angles. The right side of his skull blew outward like a shattered melon, spraying the onlookers in the store and bringing the whole dark affair to a shocked conclusion. Myrddraal was dead before he hit the pavement.

In the stunned silence following, ‘blade bent down and, with some effort, retrieved his weapon. He was gone into the night before the stunned onlookers could gather themselves to move. Moments later, one of the shooters used the milling crowd surrounding the macabre scene as cover and dropped a piece of parchment bearing a message in Gothic script: “il destino e inesorabile.”

Few of the witnesses gave a consistent version of events to the investigators and none knew where the parchment had come from. Only one component was consistent across all of their stories. One member of the Committee of Vigilance could look forward to a lot of questions the next day.


Morning Meeting, Day Twelve


“…well, as odd as it sounds, that’s what our witnesses report,” said Commissioner Fermanagh.

“Our longer term investigations have produced the following results. Roadkill and Alexander the Pretty Good were honest townies with no apparent crime connections. Big King Sanctaphrax and Haudegen were both WiseGuys, but neither seemed to have any links whatsoever to the mafia. In fact, that may have been why Huadegen was killed. We’re unable to figure out what was going on with Hiji. He was, by all accounts, a very straight-laced citizen with no criminal record or leanings whatsoever. His apartment was barren, save for a cot, a stool in the kitchen, and a large wooden cross. His storage closet outside contained a pair of shears, 50 yards of mid-gauge wire on a spool and about 2000 feet of nylon cord, also on a spool. Makes no sense to us.”

Fermanagh exited the large meeting room with its bloodstained floor. Proletariat went over the procedures again before adjourning the meeting.



OOC

1. Lynch Voting begins for Day 12. This phase will conclude at 1600 EST on 6 March 2008 (2100 GMT).

2. Current List of Players:

Still Alive: (22) Brave Sir Robin, Caius, CountArach, Craterus, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.

Attacked: (33) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)

Murdered: (32) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11).

Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).

Lynched: (11) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11)

Removed from Play: (13) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11)

[TinCow]

Sasaki Kojiro – Your Friendly Neighborhood Don
An In-Depth Look at the Man, the Myth, the Legend

Sasaki has made much of helping the town over the course of the game, but in reality his story has more holes in it than his pal Ichigo’s corpse. Let’s take a closer look at this fortunate son of Fatlington.

First, Sasaki has been investigated by a 100% confirmed townie detective. He was found innocent, so no wiseguy, Made, or Luca for him. Of course, no one knows Sasaki’s role better than the man himself. I asked him earlier, and this is what he said:

Now, you should know I'm innocent because I appeared during the kagemusha protection as the sole protector, which dons can't do.

Ah, so Sasaki is a Doctor! Yet, Sasaki certainly isn’t acting in a very doctor-like manner.

Protection groups aren't that important anymore. I think we can pull two vig hits. How about you, CA, and haud get one target and me, XXX, XXX, XXX,XXX for the other. So even if one doesn't send the hit will go through.

You guys hit ichigo we hit charge?

Sasaki

(emphasis added)

Protection groups aren’t important? He claims to be a Doctor! His entire role is designed to keep townies alive! In fact, Sasaki’s so eager to abandon protection groups that he has claimed to have been personally participating in vigilante groups, specifically Charge on N9, Ichigo on N10, and Warluster on N11. More on those hits later, though. Instead, let’s take a closer look at this claimed role of his. Let’s start right back at the beginning, with Sasaki’s actions on N1:

Hi there, pevergreen has assigned us a protection group. However, I don't trust pevergreen at all and worry that he is trying to arrange protection for his mafia buddies. Pannonian seems innocent to me, do you have any objections to protecting him?

Sasaki

So, Sasaki is a Doctor, yet he chooses to join a protection group on the first night, instead of protecting by himself? Why would a doctor do that? However, we need not even bother attempting to figure that conundrum out, because there is conclusive proof that Sasaki was not a Doctor on N1. For lack of any reason to trust anyone, I simply submitted the orders pevergreen gave me (protect Beefy187), instead of those Sasaki gave me.

Tonight I will protect Beefy187 along with Lord Winter, Sasaki Kojiro, and Haudegen.

However, the results I was sent by Seamus were about Pannonian. Clearly, the rest of the group had gone with Sasaki’s suggestion and protected Pannonian, rather than Beefy187:

Protect Pannonian = inconclusive

Note: orders were not parallel for all and the effort would have failed had he been attacked.

Pay particular attention to the “Note” Seamus added. He specifically stated that the protection would have failed if Pannonian had been attacked. At the time, I assumed this was because there was confusion about whether our group was protecting Beefy187 or Pannonian. However, even if this was true, if Sasaki was a Doctor the protection should have succeeded. The fact that the protection would have failed proves beyond a doubt that Sasaki did not start the game as a Doctor.

So, that means the only way he could have become a doctor was if he started as a townie, participated in 2 successful protection attempts, and his fellow protectors selected him as the choice for Doctor promotion. There is one tiny little problem with this: there has only been one successful “townie” protection during the entire game, namely the protection of Proletariat on N5. Even giving Sasaki the benefit of the doubt, and assuming he was present there, there is no way he could have gotten a promotion to Doctor, because there was never a second successful townie protection. Therefore, Sasaki cannot be a Doctor and he is lying when he says he is.

While that by itself is certainly sufficient information to lynch anyone, I am only getting warmed up. Let’s turn to some more interesting occurrences.

I present to you a list of murder victims:

Chimpyang (N5)
ajaxfetish (N6)
Lt. Pinard (N6)
Husar (N7)
Sarathos (N8)
Haudegen (N9)
Cowhead418 (N10)
LittleGrizzly (N10)

What do all these people have in common? Why, they were all working with the townie vigilante and protection groups, or aiding the town in some other manner. All of them! Every last one! They were also all killed by only two families, the Roses and the Italian Destiny. It seems remarkably coincidental that these two families could consistently hit people working with the town every single night for 5 consecutive nights, without ever selecting a person outside of the townie groups. Too coincidental actually. Friar William of Ockham would insist that such a coincidence could mean only one thing: that someone inside the townie network has been feeding the identities of the town participants to the mafia.

“But TinCow!” I hear you cry, “surely many people knew that those victims were working with the town. How can you be certain it was Sasaki?” An excellent point, my fellow Fatlingtonians! The answer is quite simple, really. The answer is Cowhead418. You see, as I revealed after his death, Cowhead418 was a detective; a devoted servant of the town, sworn to root out evil and injustice. His identity was known ONLY to JimBob, Crazed Rabbit, and myself. Well, not quite, you see.

I am, what some of you might call, a Mafia n00b. I have never engaged in this ‘game’ before, and have thus made a few errors that more experienced players would not have. One of those errors occurred during my desperate attempts to save Crazed Rabbit from the lynch on D10. As part of these efforts, I contacted Sasaki directly by PM and gave him further evidence about Crazed Rabbit’s actions in an attempt to convince him to halt his attack on our wonderful FBI Detective. While doing this, I forwarded a PM to Sasaki from JimBob that included a list of all of our detective results, because Sasaki was interested in knowing the precise date and time that we started receiving them from Crazed Rabbit. When I did this, I put XXXXXX in the place of all ‘unrevealed’ detective names. Or so I thought.

It turns out, I made a n00b error, and missed a reference to Cowhead418 that was elsewhere in the PM. His name was in plain sight for Sasaki to see. Guess what happened on N10? That’s right, Cowhead418 was murdered by the Italian Destiny family. The night immediately after Sasaki got a hold of Cowhead418’s identity.

Now, let’s get right back to those hits I was talking about earlier. Specifically, the N9 hit and N10 hits on Ichigo. If you read the write-up of the N10 hit carefully, you will notice and exceedingly unusual part of Ichigo’s death:

Inside was a banner with a short message: “Sorry, buddy.” Nobody could explain this.

The meaning of this is plain to see. Someone on this hit team was a friend of Ichigo and regretted his death! Who could this be? Perhaps there is a clue in the nature of the message itself. The note was written on a “banner.” Who else uses banners, regularly? That’s right, the Italian Destiny family, who have consistently killed people working with the townies for many nights now. And who is friends with Ichigo? Could that answer be found in the victim’s very own, self-given forum title? If you are not aware, it reads, simply: “Vote:Sasaki” Good advice, perhaps.

Yet, more protests come from the back of the room. “But TinCow, haven’t you said that Sasaki organized the hits for N9? Why would he hit his own friend?” Ah, but that’s not entirely true. Sasaki picked the make-up of the groups for N9, but he did not pick the targets. I picked the targets, and given the heavy evidence against Ichigo at the time, disagreeing with a hit on him would be been a silly move for a smart Don like Sasaki. So, instead of trying to stop Ichigo from being hit, he suggested a group arrangement that he knew would help him, as you saw from the PM quoted above. The people in the Ichigo hit were myself, Haudegen, and CountArach. As we all know, that hit went belly-up. Only two people showed up, and one of the participants, Haudegen, was murdered by the Rose mafia.

So, what could have caused it to fail? Perhaps because one of the members was working with Sasaki, perhaps? Clearly it was not me, because I am trying to get him lynched. Do any of you honestly believe that it was Haudegen, a person who had successfully participated in the vigilante kills on Factionheir (N6), Northnovas (N7), and Tran (N8)? No, it could only be CountArach. Yet more protests from the back of the room. “But TinCow, didn’t you just say that Ichigo had a special ability that could have stopped people from showing up to the hit?” Indeed he did, my good man. But as you will notice if you read back over this thread, the results I got when that happened included a lengthy text description about failing to show up and getting a severe headache, which my sources tell me is a side effect of this ability being used. Yet neither CountArach, Haudegen, nor myself got any such text in our results from Seamus. So, the ability cannot have been used. If there is further doubt about CountArach’s story, I need only tell you that he was found guilty by a detective who will remain anonymous on N10. When asked about it, this was his response:

Kill Ichigo = Failure

Now tell me, what is it you think?

Ichigo may have had a special ability that prevented one of us from showing up. I am trying to determine if that was the cause, instead of a betrayal. If you are indeed a pro-town, I will publicly retract my FoS on you. I'm not out to get you, it's just that the situation looks a bit suspicious.

However, a detective also got a guilty result on you on N10. The only times I have worked with you were on N7, N8, and N9. On N7 I know you successfully attacked Tran, but he did not die. On N8, you claim you did nothing because I didn't get the orders out in time. This is a perfectly valid reason and I saw that you did not check that order PM until after the night period was over. On N9, you claim to have been on the failed Ichigo hit.

Since none of these three nights include a successful kill, I have no knowledge of any 'townie' actions you may have done that would result in a guilty result. If you killed someone on N1 through N6, or N10, it would be in your interests to tell me who it was, what night it happened, and who you were working with.

I don't know why I got the Guilty Result on me. I haven't killed anyone on the first 6 nights, or last night. I was offered to join a group with w&f and also one with pevergreen but nothing really came of it. I ended up in a protection group with Makanyane and taka nights 2 and 3, but once there was no PMing going on between us, I thought it was a good idea to keep my distance. I have done that until I contacted JimBob.

So, a guilty result from a confirmed Detective that CountArach cannot explain. Mighty suspicious, if you ask me. Did I mention that CountArach also voted to lynch Crazed Rabbit, along with Sasaki and that “buddy” of the Italian Destiny family, Ichigo? Good to know that the mafia vote in blocs.

“What else do you have there in your bag of tricks, TinCow?” I hear you ask. Well, how about this: as soon as Sasaki was informed that Crazed Rabbit was the FBI Detective, he immediately spearheaded the bandwagon to get Crazed Rabbit lynched! Despite a great deal of evidence that shed doubt on Sasaki’s accusations, he refused to relent or even to delay for one day to see if Crazed Rabbit’s results on Makanyane were accurate. He would not even wait one day for a man who might have been the all-important FBI Detective. Ah, let me pull another PM out here. One moment please, while I locate it. Ah, here it is, fresh from last night:

After tonight and tomorrows lynching who do we have left with guilty results? We can't just vig random people. I don't recall anything against T'blade except the criminal result and his vote switch (which i think actually saved glenn).

Sasaki

Yeah, the pickings are getting pretty slim. The current suspects as I see them:

Warluster - Criminal N7 (by CR)
Twilightblade - Criminal N4 (by Cowhead)
Joe Monks - Criminal N5 (by CR)

None of them have anything on them (that I am aware of) other than the single detective results. Since Warluster will be dead after tonight, that leaves just Twilightblade and Joe Monks on the active suspicion list. At this point, I'm inclined to start putting out public requests for validation of their activities before we move on them. There are a good 10-12 townies operating in various groups with various connections. Surely if either of these guys have been helping the town at some point, someone will be able to corroborate that. We can simply ask for people to come forward to verify their innocence before we lynch/vig kill them.

I would suggest giving them four options: (1) Post it publicly, (2) Send the PM to Prole, (3) Send the PM to Sasaki, (4) Send the PM to TinCow. I doubt there is a townie left alive that hasn't got some measure of trust for one of the three of us at this point. If no one comes forward by one of those four methods, then we can assume that neither Twilightblade nor Joe Monks have been helping the town at all. Combined with their criminal results, this should be enough to warrant their deaths, even if just to be safe.

Once those two are dead, if we have no more detective results to work from, we should probably revert to protection groups and see if the night attacks keep coming.

There were several wise guys last game who never participated in any groups and who didn't join the mafia. It was around 20% I think. IMO any killing of tblade and joe monks should come from any in thread open to everyone discussion. If the town ends up trying to double lynch one of them then we can vigg the other.

Have you checked to see if t'blade/joe monks should have turned up guilty on those nights if they were part of the two remaining mafia families?

It's worth noting that joe monks spoke out in the thread against killing random wise guys.

Sasaki

Sasaki seems very concerned about not accidentally killing Twilightblade and Joe Monks, even though they have unexplained criminal results and have no record of helping the town. That’s mighty generous from a person who was not even willing to wait one day to check on the information regarding the FBI Detective. It should also be noted that he had absolutely no problems in going after Warluster on N11, even though the evidence against him was exactly the same (one criminal result), as against Twilightblade and Joe Monks.

Need we also forget that Sasaki has blatantly admitted to being directly in touch with a Made from the start of the game? What does he have to say about that one?

Re: made that is my source. I'm in a tricky spot as to what I can say. Let's just say my in game character (fatlington resident) doesn't wish this made to die. What I as sasaki want is for him to get found out and lynched. I'm constrained however. Recall seamus mentioning that everyone has red text.

My made knows for sure I am a townie and he sends me the information voluntarily. It is possible that he fakes it--however it is to his advantage to get other mafia lynched.

Red text? A convenient excuse, especially for a man who is lying about his role. Wouldn’t the simplest explanation simply be that the Made was from his own family?

Finally, let us not forget that Sasaki was attacked on N7 by the Stracchi. Fortunately for him, his life was saved by a single individual. Doctor or Luca? As it turns out, Sasaki was informed ahead of time (at my suggestion and via JimBob) that he was going to be attacked. So, Sasaki DID have time to arrange for his own protection beforehand. Yet he did not turn to a townie group to do that, he turned to one individual. Despite all of this evidence, I am sure that Sasaki will claim that it was a Doctor that he knew personally, since how else could he have gotten one to help him on such short notice? Yet, how and when exactly did he locate this Doctor pal of his? Will the kindly fellow please step forward? No? I thought not.

So, I shall sum up this detailed look into this dear friend of Fatlington by quoting the immortal words of the recently deceased Ichigo:

Vote: Sasaki

Never was there a neck more worthy of a noose.

FoS: CountArach
FoS: Twilightblade (As if that is even necessary after N11.)
FoS: Joe Monks
FoS: Kagemusha (If Sasaki wasn’t protecting him, who was?)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Therefore, Sasaki cannot be a Doctor and he is lying when he says he is.

Hi Tincow, I never claimed to be a doctor. My pm to you was this:

Now, you should know I'm innocent because I appeared during the kagemusha protection as the sole protector, which dons can't do.

You took this to mean I was a doctor which I was more than happy to let you do. I figured if I turned up dead it meant you were guilty, and also you started to let me in on what was going on.

As you seem to have forgotten, my plan on the night Kagemusha was attacked was to have a vig group attack a target that was protected by a protection group:

Sasaki:

Two things.

1) You are very late on sending out orders. They were sent 12 hours from the deadline. JimBob and I have been coordinating orders and went sent out our own set almost at the start of the N6 phase. By sending this out, you are simply creating a conflict. I guarantee you that the protection group will fail, and I suspect the vigilante group will to. I suggest you abort them both ASAP.

2) These are very scummy orders. At this point in the game, with this many people who are obviously mafia, what possible reason could you have for picking a 'random' target? Looks like an excuse to me for the vigilante group to succeed, while you back out of the protection group, allowing it to fail and for the target to die. You had best explain yourself.

Protection group: Sasaki, Haudegen,TinCow

Vigilante group: ajaxfetish;TruePraetorian;scottishranger;Brave_Sir_Robin


BOTH groups are going to target Kagemusha (picked randomly).

Sasaki

But as you can see you and haudegen had other plans, fortunately others from the vig group had other plans as well. Two attackers showed up with me as the lone defender. I don't believe don's can protect people in townie groups (Omanes said this a while back) ergo I must be innocent.

Protect Kagemusha = failure

Solo attempts at protection always fail, but you were not killed in the effort.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Protection group: Sasaki, Haudegen,TinCow

Vigilante group: ajaxfetish;TruePraetorian;scottishranger;Brave_Sir_Robin


BOTH groups are going to target Kagemusha (picked randomly).

Sasaki

Can do. I'll send it in. Let me know if things don't work on the protection side so I can cancel the action if necessary.

Ajax

Protection group: Sasaki, Haudegen,TinCow

Vigilante group: ajaxfetish;TruePraetorian;scottishranger;Brave_Sir_Robin


BOTH groups are going to target Kagemusha (picked randomly).

Sasaki

What about Tran and Dutch_guy? Is someone organizing a vig group to take care of them?

I believe these two were the two attackers in the kage attempted hit.

I may be incorrect about don's not appearing in prot groups (we only have omanes' word anyway) but that is what I believed at the time and is why I gave you that reason "which don's can't do".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Finally, let us not forget that Sasaki was attacked on N7 by the Stracchi. Fortunately for him, his life was saved by a single individual. Doctor or Luca? As it turns out, Sasaki was informed ahead of time (at my suggestion and via JimBob) that he was going to be attacked. So, Sasaki DID have time to arrange for his own protection beforehand. Yet he did not turn to a townie group to do that, he turned to one individual. Despite all of this evidence, I am sure that Sasaki will claim that it was a Doctor that he knew personally, since how else could he have gotten one to help him on such short notice? Yet, how and when exactly did he locate this Doctor pal of his? Will the kindly fellow please step forward? No? I thought not.

If it's really necessary I can go through the rest of these accusations. I picked this one for now. I was protected by Myrdraal, the surgeon. We had been in contact previously. He sent me a pm about my made source and my answer satisfied him enough that he trusted me with his identity.

[Kagemusha]

Mighty fine speech there Tincow. It must have taken quite a while of time and effort to write it down. As you claim to be the one behind the whole town effort against mafia and you seem to find someone new to point finger at each new day. Could i ask couple questions? First why are you forgetting Kukrikhan and scottishranger consistently out of your suspects? Second, based on the very helpful list´s made by Ajaxfetish, there seems to be a single family called Cunnio, which no one knows nothing about and it seems the family doesnt kill either. Could it be that this family has masquared itself looking something quite different then a mafia family? I would be interested to hear your thoughts conserning these issues.

[TinCow]

Sasak: Care to explain:

Who your doctor friend was on N7?
Why people working with the town have been regularly and accurately targeted by two mafia families since the time you began working with our group?
Why Cowhead was killed immediately after you found out his identity, when no one else knew?
How you conveniently had access to a Made's detective results?
Why you were willing to kill Warluster without only a criminal result, when you weren't willing to do the same with Twilightblade or Joe Monks?
How an Italian Destiny banner showed up in a vigilante hit on Ichigo?

Kagemusa:

You are correct that I left people off. I was just listing those that had FoS raised by the Sasaki evidence. There are other people as well, including gibsonsg91921, who I have repeatedly stated is mafia, yet I also left off. As for Kukri, I know he is pro-town and I have been working with him for a long time.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also re:doctor, I sent this pm to jimbob right after you told me that you thought I was a doctor.

It would be a good idea to keep your contacts close. I feel that you guys are a little too trusting. You believed moros even though the reveal shows him as shady, there was the mix up with true praetorian, and TinCow is apparantly convinced I'm a doctor and revealed to me that [snip-sasaki]. That's all very well and I'm trustworthy, but I'm not actually a doctor, just a townie. Just keep it to yourself and give directions without reasons sometime.

Sasaki

Sasak: Care to explain:

Who your doctor friend was on N7?

Already explained.

Why people working with the town have been regularly and accurately targeted by two mafia families since the time you began working with our group?
Why Cowhead was killed immediately after you found out his identity, when no one else knew?

You knew all of these things as well. More on this in a minute.

How you conveniently had access to a Made's detective results?

I've explained this. I've also noticed that myrdraal trusted my explanation enough to reveal that he was the surgeon many rounds ago.

Why you were willing to kill Warluster without only a criminal result, when you weren't willing to do the same with Twilightblade or Joe Monks?

The town judged warluster worthy of death and he had a chance to defend himself. I wanted t'blade and joe to have the same chance.

How an Italian Destiny banner showed up in a vigilante hit on Ichigo?

A banner showed up, it was in english however. I'm assuming one of the six of us was a buddy of Ichigo. You were the only one involved in a failed hit on Ichigo earlier.

[Kagemusha]

Kagemusa:

You are correct that I left people off. I was just listing those that had FoS raised by the Sasaki evidence. There are other people as well, including gibsonsg91921, who I have repeatedly stated is mafia, yet I also left off. As for Kukri, I know he is pro-town and I have been working with him for a long time.

Allright.So let me get this straight. You are aware of confirmed mafiosi, but still you and Sasaki had difference in opinion to whether criminals should be be vig killed while there are actually guilty people running around alive. Seems like a pretty strange priority. Btw can i ask, what is your own status currently, will you come out as guilty in case you are investigated?

[TinCow]

Allright.So let me get this straight. You are aware of confirmed mafiosi, but still you and Sasaki had difference in opinion to whether criminals should be be vig killed while there are actually guilty people running around alive. Seems like a pretty strange priority. Btw can i ask, what is your own status currently, will you come out as guilty in case you are investigated?

The only guilty person I was aware of was gibson. Here is what I said to Sasaki about him, which is the exact same thing I've been saying since we killed Northnovas many nights ago:

I completely forgot, there is one other: gibsonsg91921. Part of the now defunct Stracchi family, and part of the duo that attempted to off you on N7. Not an important target, as there is no one left for him to kill with (he's a wiseguy), but worth cleaning up if we have nothing better to do.

My status is wiseguy and I will show up very, very guilty since I have killed: Factionheir, Northnovas, Tran, and Warluster.

[Warluster]

Warluster was built tough.

Seamus; how'd you know!

I'm happy I died rather then was lynched. Though I still remain to provide my opinion on the situation.

[shlin28]

Couple questions/ideas:

1. Why don't we select Tincow as director?

2. Maybe Twilightblade was revealed because Myrdraal's possible surgeon ability identified him and should have killed him, but because Myrdrall is dead, it only revealed Twilightblade?

3. Couple days ago, I asked Sasaki what I can do for the town (I did almost nothing this game ) But he replied, "Ask Jimbob", when Jimbob was already gone for several days at that point...

Will vote tomorrow when I get back from school.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

An excellent point, my fellow Fatlingtonians!

Pardon, but the correct plural referrant is "Fatlings." Fatling is the root word I used to name the town, actually.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled lynch discussions.

[PershsNhpios]

Absolutely spiffin' history, TinCow!

I thought you were dead.. But I have discovered an interesting, strange thing on the discovery that you were alive...

You have not even once been attacked?
EDIT:
This comment is a mistake - TinCow is misrepresented in SF's write-up.

I am a fickle, terrible player who loves to stir people up to make mistakes, but even still,
I hope everyone will find something strange in the fact that an active player - whom I believe to be pro-town - has never once been targeted.

Is this an anomaly, TinCow, or because of your close encounters with the Mafia, and their trust of you therefore?

Would you share then if you have the role of Wiseguy or not?

Good job on keeping the finger pointed at Kagemusha.
He ask alot of questions and write many paragraphs to clear his name.

----

Oh, and Louis - I think you may have misspelt my name.

"Bee dee dee dee - Hang y' head and cry silly Louis..."

[TinCow]

I believe you'll find that I was attacked on N7 and survived by luck. I have expected my death every night since then. I believe I have been allowed to live, because I have been useful to Sasaki as cover. As with every other night since N7, I expect to die tonight.

[PershsNhpios]

I would expect to die too, I'm sorry for that mistake, I will edit it out.

You are not mentioned in the reports of Seamus Fermanagh.


But would you mind, Herr Cow, explaining why the attack happened on Night 7?
Believe me, it is rather helpless when you die with the smallest amount of information left unannounced.
(Hint, hint).

So may I suggest that, if you will die, or even if you otherwise have protection, may I suggest that you do the big "R"?

Documents, recordings, PMs and speculations.

It will be just like the finale of those detective movies.