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    Does anyone else here feel as though they have been sitting in a dark room with hooded figures, and you know some of them are terrible creatures but feel that some are at least good-hearted.

    And then suddenly everyone becomes a snake and begins fighting desperately over your flesh?

    Thank god, you are actually innocent!

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    Well, TinCow is either unbelievably foolish or he is Mafia.

    One thing is for sure, the man who condemned Sasaki for being what he was - a worm - then offered to have that worm shelter in his ear.

    TinCow almost deserves to die for that - but that is what Sasaki wants - in any case, TinCow, you cannot blame the naive township for this one,
    you deceived yourself and the town.

    It's very important.. It's factual.. Sasaki must die - tonight or tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
    Andres's tally is the correct one.
    As usual
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    Let's take a look at any potentially suspicious lynch voting records, shall we?

    On Day 6 Dutch Guy was a confirmed mafia luca. His family was continuing to kill or attempt kills nightly even with Omanes and Andres both dead. Xdeathfire was a known wise guy and killer, a threat but not on the same level as Dutch Guy. The town tried for a double lynch, but vote manipulation stacked it in favor of Xdeathfire and Dutch Guy got off for another night, during which he helped murder Louis.

    Those who voted for Xdeathfire over Dutch Guy:
    -CountArach
    -Craterus
    -Dutch Guy (dead, mafia luca)
    -Elite Ferret
    -Evil Maniac from Mars (dead, wise guy and Prole's attacker)
    -Hiji (dead, townie with possible balloon mafia connections)
    -Kagemusha
    -Little Grizzly
    -Louis VI the Fat (dead, mafia betrayer)
    -norwegian nerd
    -Sarathos (dead, mafia wise guy)
    -True Praetorian

    On Day 10 CR was lynched in spite of a reasonable claim to be the FBI agent and a request for an extension to prove himself. When his post-mortem comes in, this day's voting may get even more suspicious.

    Those who voted for CR:
    -CountArach
    -Ichigo (dead, presumed mafia connections)
    -Kagemusha
    -Leet Eriksson
    -Sasaki Kojiro
    -Shlin
    -True Praetorian

    Today a last minute bandwagon seems to have condemned TinCow, leader of the SCA in JimBob's absence, and while a controversial figure, still a surprising lynchee, especially with such overwhelming last-minute stacking against him.

    Those who voted for TinCow:
    -CountArach
    -Leet Eriksson
    -Kagemusha
    -Joe Monks
    -Caius

    FoS goes to:
    CountArach. Accused by TinCow of sabotaging SCA vig attempts, consistently voting for questionable lynchees.
    Leet Eriksson. Lurking and for the most part staying below the radar, but popping up in time to vote for questionable lynchees just before the deadline.
    Kagemusha. I don't put much faith in Glenn's constant and wild accusations, as he has accused just about anyone with a pulse by now, but Kagemusha's voting record is also very suspicious. He and CountArach are the only ones to factor in all three above questionable lynch votes.

    A slightly smaller FoS goes to True Praetorian. TinCow's original claims against him have been withdrawn and explained, but he also has a history of suspicious voting. Also, Caius only figures suspiciously in the latest vote, but his unexplained and sudden complete reversal raises that to FoS level as well IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres
    As usual
    Now, lets remember when Andres changed names and added mithical figures to the tally.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian
    Vote early, vote often.


    Something else which made me chuckle:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caius
    Well, I will trust again TinCow and
    Vote:CountArach
    nine posts later

    Quote Originally Posted by Caius
    Unvote:CountArach
    Vote:TinCow

    Die, manipulator!
    Some interesting developments.

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    A slightly smaller FoS goes to True Praetorian. TinCow's original claims against him have been withdrawn and explained, but he also has a history of suspicious voting. Also, Caius only figures suspiciously in the latest vote, but his unexplained and sudden complete reversal raises that to FoS level as well IMO.
    Well, thanks for noting that things have been cleared up with TinCow calling me mafia, but I would like to know how I have been voting strangely, if you could.

    Thanks, as always, ajax for keeping great up-to-date posts.
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    Wow, of all the silly lynch rounds in this game, this must have been the worst.

    Can a director vote to have no lynches, or only in the case of a tie?


    Thanks for the great posts, Ajax. You are really helpful. I'll FoS your CA and Kage too. Leet is here for the riot, I think.
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    Here are the people I suspect;

    Sasaki
    CountArach
    Kagemusha
    Craterus
    Dutch_Guy
    TruePraetorian
    Proletariat

    These people have all shown good reasons for being suspected, and all, save the last, are also suspected by you yourself, Ajaxfetish.

    Not once in the game has the list run higher than this number, in fact this is the highest it has been because so many strange lives have survived until the late game.

    Several people, who I would imagine also have a pulse, have not been suspected by me this entire game - they include;

    JimBob
    Lt. Pinard
    Beefy187
    Omanes Alexandrapolites
    Sarathos
    Leet Eriksson
    Shlin28
    EliteFerret
    EMFM
    Caius
    Hiji
    LittleGrizzly
    Ironside
    TinCow

    I know there were alot more people than that in the game.. But the list is not complete.

    Therefore, by checking the history of my wild and stupid accusations, there may be seen some sense in them - and certainly some relation in regard to your own accusations.

    No doubt, however, this made no sense to anyone and will be considered simple spam.

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    I can deal with being "suspected", it is Capo, but will someone kindly take the time to tell me how come?
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    Quote Ajax:
    "A slightly smaller FoS goes to True Praetorian. TinCow's original claims against him have been withdrawn and explained, but he also has a history of suspicious voting. Also, Caius only figures suspiciously in the latest vote, but his unexplained and sudden complete reversal raises that to FoS level as well IMO."

    Generally, it is your overall behaviour, but I think this would be soon remedied if you spoke a little more about yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn
    Here are the people I suspect;

    Sasaki
    CountArach
    Kagemusha
    Craterus
    Dutch_Guy
    TruePraetorian
    Proletariat
    Why do you suspect Dutch? He seems pretty innocent to me.
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    Thanks.

    My overall behavior...well, i have been in Sasakis protection groups very early in the game. before that, i was in The Stranger's group. Then, tincow and jimbob recruitde me into their townie groups. So far, they both trust me...

    As for voting on CR, i didnt belive he was a detective at all...i just dont think it was possible to sneak in unnoticed without being a don...despite TinCow saying so. That is why i voted for him...if thats where my main suspicion comes from. if not, well i dont know what else to say really...except TinCow and JimBob trust me..if that helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Well, thanks for noting that things have been cleared up with TinCow calling me mafia, but I would like to know how I have been voting strangely, if you could.

    Thanks, as always, ajax for keeping great up-to-date posts.
    My suspicions are the results of your votes for both Xdeathfire and CR, nothing more. I understand that some of those who voted in those lynches did so with the best of intentions. I focused on those who had made questionable votes on more than one of the three days, and you did so on two of them. You may well have done so in good faith on both occasions, and I am suggesting suspicion, not accusation. And as I said above, your votes are not nearly as troubling as those of CountArach, Leet Eriksson, and Kagemusha.

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    Well like i said, this is Capo. Im sure every single player has been suspected before. Thanks for clearing it up.
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    For reference on Dutch_Guy.

    See Ajaxfetish' write-up.

    More importantly, when I was in a protection group with Dutch_Guy and TrueP, the latter answered by confirmations and gained my trust by his wariness and townie-nature.

    The former gained my distrust by being discreet and not answering, however I forgot about him when things became hectic, and then new evidence emerged.

    Another player who acted similarly to him was Draco Leman, and I think that the two of them were and are probably wise-guys with nasty connections.
    Dutch_Guy seems very fitting of someone's henchman.

    What do you make of him, TruePraetorian?

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    I keep thinking Glenn's going to hit a punchline soon. Have I missed one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn
    For reference on Dutch_Guy.

    See Ajaxfetish' write-up.

    More importantly, when I was in a protection group with Dutch_Guy and TrueP, the latter answered by confirmations and gained my trust by his wariness and townie-nature.

    The former gained my distrust by being discreet and not answering, however I forgot about him when things became hectic, and then new evidence emerged.

    Another player who acted similarly to him was Draco Leman, and I think that the two of them were and are probably wise-guys with nasty connections.
    Dutch_Guy seems very fitting of someone's henchman.

    What do you make of him, TruePraetorian?

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    FWIW, we lynched the right guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    I know you're still watching the thread and since I pretty much wrecked your team, here's something to keep watch for so you feel like you're still "in the loop" as far as the game goes. Hopefully you'll be able to put aside any lingering feelings you had at my betrayal and appreciate good drama for what it's worth (and even if I'm wrong, you can't post this PM in the thread anyway).

    The town is doing a decent job at finishing off the mafia, despite the losses of JimBob and Crazed Rabbit. I figured that if we keep up the pace, it will be all over soon and this wonderful game will sadly be finished. I couldn't have that, not with KOTR crawling along at a snail's pace as of current.

    Remember what I said in one of those early PMs to you, about how it would be the toughest thing to do, but still the most interesting, if we started our own family? Despite what you may believe, that option hasn't been ruled out yet. Obviously none of our former group will be included, but considering your eagerness to unite with the Stracchis I think you'll still be rooting for me.

    The plan is to rid Fatlington of the last few confirmed mafia, which shouldn't be too hard to do. Right before this happens, the people I trust most in this game - Elite Ferret and TruePraetorian - will all tell Seamus that we're forming our own family. If all goes well, it will be perfectly timed so that we'll be the only family left and the town will be clueless. Then, by using my continued control over the town's various groups, the innocents left will eliminate each other, totally confused as to who the new threat is. Eventually it will just be us left, securing the game for the mafia. That's what you wanted, isn't it? Consider this upcoming mafia victory as something of a make-up for me screwing you and the rest of the Stracchis earlier in the game. The odds of pulling this one off are much better than your previous plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    You know, being a lawyer, you should know that there's always a loophole...

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    So, I take it that you're still out to get me then. I'm sorry that you're still holding a grudge. I think Seamus's rules are pretty clear about the subject. If you think you can find one, more power to you. You did discover 3.3 in the Charter, but this is different. Don't ruin the game for us if you can't find one.
    I was a bit torn about whether or not to pursue posting this in the thread when I first received it.

    On one hand, it has always been my goal to see the mafia prevail in this game and clearly TinCow has aspriations for doing the same, despite his flirtation with the town. But on the other hand, TinCow screwed me and my entire family over.

    In the end, my ego won out. I was ideally going to post this earlier but when I logged on (the .Org was ridiculously laggy/down for a period of time) he was already doomed. I decided to post it anyway, just to return the favor of TinCow wrecking the rest of the people in my family. EF, TP: any last words?

    And for those of you who do doubt the legality of this, I have confirmation from two separate sources that it's okay:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    Seamus,

    The PMs I referred to in the thread is the following exchange I had with TinCow:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    I know you're still watching the thread and since I pretty much wrecked your team, here's something to keep watch for so you feel like you're still "in the loop" as far as the game goes. Hopefully you'll be able to put aside any lingering feelings you had at my betrayal and appreciate good drama for what it's worth (and even if I'm wrong, you can't post this PM in the thread anyway).

    The town is doing a decent job at finishing off the mafia, despite the losses of JimBob and Crazed Rabbit. I figured that if we keep up the pace, it will be all over soon and this wonderful game will sadly be finished. I couldn't have that, not with KOTR crawling along at a snail's pace as of current.

    Remember what I said in one of those early PMs to you, about how it would be the toughest thing to do, but still the most interesting, if we started our own family? Despite what you may believe, that option hasn't been ruled out yet. Obviously none of our former group will be included, but considering your eagerness to unite with the Stracchis I think you'll still be rooting for me.

    The plan is to rid Fatlington of the last few confirmed mafia, which shouldn't be too hard to do. Right before this happens, the people I trust most in this game - Elite Ferret and TruePraetorian - will all tell Seamus that we're forming our own family. If all goes well, it will be perfectly timed so that we'll be the only family left and the town will be clueless. Then, by using my continued control over the town's various groups, the innocents left will eliminate each other, totally confused as to who the new threat is. Eventually it will just be us left, securing the game for the mafia. That's what you wanted, isn't it? Consider this upcoming mafia victory as something of a make-up for me screwing you and the rest of the Stracchis earlier in the game. The odds of pulling this one off are much better than your previous plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    You know, being a lawyer, you should know that there's always a loophole...

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    So, I take it that you're still out to get me then. I'm sorry that you're still holding a grudge. I think Seamus's rules are pretty clear about the subject. If you think you can find one, more power to you. You did discover 3.3 in the Charter, but this is different. Don't ruin the game for us if you can't find one.


    Obviously, I want to post this in the thread for all to see as it would completely destroy his plan but being dead and all, I'm definitely restricted. I've read over the rules and it seems like the general gist of the the whole "dead caveat" thing is to prevent them from revealing specific roles/actions that have taken place, which definitely does NOT fall into the above category.

    Now, I may be wrong, but I think I can post these. Just let me know for sure. It's much appreciated.

    GH

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    You are correct.

    The exchange you quoted was clearly sent to you specifically. It revealed no roles nor did it clarify any prior actions taken by any of the participants.

    There is the chance that TinCow could have made the entire thing up (which I will neither confirm nor deny ) which only adds to the general ambiguity in the game which I have always been aiming for.

    I suspect there will be some questioning over the legality over your actions as well as the validity of the PMs (and considering your past parsiflage who would blame them? ) but you have my okay.
    ~~~~~~~~~

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    Hi Andres,

    As per the subject heading, this has to deal with moderator stuff in Capo. I received a PM from TinCow that could be absolutely damning for him. It was "special" in a way and I asked Seamus for permission to put it in the thread, which he agreed to:

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
    You are correct.

    The exchange you quoted was clearly sent to you specifically. It revealed no roles nor did it clarify any prior actions taken by any of the participants.

    There is the chance that TinCow could have made the entire thing up (which I will neither confirm nor deny ) which only adds to the general ambiguity in the game which I have always been aiming for.

    I suspect there will be some questioning over the legality over your actions as well as the validity of the PMs (and considering your past parsiflage who would blame them? ) but you have my okay.
    I just want to make absolutely sure that this is okay before posting the exchange in the thread (it's a doozy). I don't want a repeat of Capo I.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andres
    I interpreted the game rules in exactly the same way as Seamus does:

    - quoting a real pm you received before dead breaks the rules (mind you, blatant cheating will also earn you a warning)
    - quoting a pm you received after dead does not, since it was sent to you knowing that you were dead and Seamus already said it didn't break any of his rules.

    Looking forward to this

    A.
    What does this all mean?

    Well, for one thing, I'm done. I will no longer post in this thread trying to influence things one way or the other. I've got my vindication and done what I've wanted to do. TinCow the traitor is presumably dead and his compatriots are soon to follow.

    In short, I win.
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    Nice, Glenn. Next you'll be telling us the earth is round or that Shaq is huge or some other ground breaking tidbit.

    This bandwagon on TinCow was ridiculous. It wasn't clear whether TinCow or Sasaki was scum yet, but CountArach had a guilty result and no alibi. Count Arach was a great lynch.

    edit: well i'll be!
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    Of all the strange claims Glenn has made, his suspicion of Dutch Guy has to be the most bizarre.

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    This is main thread post #


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    Sunset, Day Twelve

    Proletariat went through the counting procedure smoothly. She herself had chosen to abstain before recalling that her own vote was invalid.

    <>

    After checking the tally and having it confirmed by one of the six officers assigned to her as director, Proletariat addressed the assembly.

    “TinCow, you have been condemned by the vote of this committee…”

    Two officers quickly pinioned his arms.

    “…do you have anything to sa…”

    “Of course I do,” said Tincow, "It is completely incorrect to assume I am guilty here…”

    TinCow launched into involved argument as to his innocence and Arach’s and Sasaki’s guilt at what a later age would call “spreading” speed in policy debate. As each point was made and affirmed, TinCow grew progressively redder and redder in the face. Counterpoints flowed in a beautiful and intricate dance from his tongue even as his breathing became more and more ragged and his left foot began to stutter-tap as he spoke. Finally, somewhere in counterpoint 19, paragraph two, sub-point eleven, his adrenalin tortured body had enough. His left eye bulged a bit as the aneurysm burst inside his brain and his red face quickly paled. He paused.

    “Oh, bother,” TinCow said softly, and then he collapsed into the flanking grasp of Fermanagh’s officers. He was dead before they could lay him flat to “give him some air.”

    Proletariat confirmed his death and announced
    :

    “The condemned has expired. This evening’s meeting is concluded.”

    The committee filed out into the relative cool of the gathering dark. Another night would soon weave its shroud over Fatlington.


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    1. Night PMs are due by 1600 EST 7 March 2008 (2100 GMT).

    2. Final Tally (15 of 21 possible):

    TinCow = 5 (Caius, Arach, Joe, Kage, Leet)

    CountArach = 4 (Ferret, Sasaki, shlin, Tinc)

    Abstain = 2 (scott, True) & Prole

    Sasaki Kojiro = 2 (gibs, xehh)

    Gibsong91929 = 1 (crat)

    Twighlightblade = 1 (kukri)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
    FWIW, we lynched the right guy.



    I was a bit torn about whether or not to pursue posting this in the thread when I first received it.

    On one hand, it has always been my goal to see the mafia prevail in this game and clearly TinCow has aspriations for doing the same, despite his flirtation with the town. But on the other hand, TinCow screwed me and my entire family over.

    In the end, my ego won out. I was ideally going to post this earlier but when I logged on (the .Org was ridiculously laggy/down for a period of time) he was already doomed. I decided to post it anyway, just to return the favor of TinCow wrecking the rest of the people in my family. EF, TP: any last words?

    And for those of you who do doubt the legality of this, I have confirmation from two separate sources that it's okay:
    Oh snap! I'm kind of glad I had time to make my case before you posted proof.

    Here's some pm's from today which backup this story:

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    I have also invited Elite Ferret to join us, since he seems inclined my way. No response yet, though.
    TinCow inviting elite Ferret out of the blue.

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    Elite Ferret has confirmed that he will help tonight and prefers vigilante groups. He will be #4 on the vig group. I am certainly one away from being made and would have been at that point if I had gotten credit for Ichigo. I have confirmed with Seamus that I can reject a Made promotion if it is offered, though I doubt that's of much comfort to you.
    Elite ferret prefers vigilante groups and TinCow is one away from a made.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    Ok let me get this straight. Are you refusing to switch with either [snip-sasaki] or [snip-sasaki] so that you are in the protection group?

    Sasaki
    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    I think it is an exceedingly bad idea for you and I to be on the same group tonight. If we are both on the same group and something goes wrong, we're pointing fingers at each other once again. If we are split up, at least one of us will check out for that night, though hopefully both of us. Plus, I have no proof that either of them is a wiseguy yet, which means all 4 people would have to submit orders properly, risking a failure if Elite Ferret is mafia. TP and I are both confirmed wiseguys and Caius is likely a wiseguy as well, and will hopefully confirm that shortly. The three of us can guarantee a successful hit, even if Elite fails in some manner.
    TinCow insists on being in the vig group. This makes it clear that he intended to be in a group with elite and tp. Caius is a bit vague.

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    Christ TinCow!!! I had no idea that you were forming a family, tell these people!!!

    People, i have no intention of joining a family! I trusted TinCow, but no...i never said anything about joining a family!

    TinCow put one of his trusted men at head of the groups, but i asked everyone if they would allow me to lead them...so far everyone has said sure.

    Here is a convo with Sasaki to prove my innocence!! Sasaki, please you must tell these people!


    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    How much do you know about shlin and elite ferret? TinCow said he recruited them today but I'm not sure I trust them. We're probably going to all be protecting a detective tonight, we'll see what he (the detective) says. Not sure if I trust these 2 new guys enough to reveal his identity to them.

    Sasaki

    Wait now im confused...I am the new leader of TinCows party. I will have you know i hold nothing agaisnt you...so we can possibly team up?


    Elite says he has been in a few prot. groups.

    I know nothing about shlin.
    This is a quote from TinCow:

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    As you can see below, Sasaki and I are having some serious problems. It would be best if the decision making for night actions was completely removed from both of our hands. We would like you to determine both the composition of the groups and their targets for tonight, and probably future nights as well. Please let me know if there is any information you do not have that you need in order to make your decisions.

    Sorry for thrusting this on you, but I don't think there's another choice under the circumstances.
    Sent to the detective. Has he told you that he's changed his mind since?

    Sasaki
    I know the detective too. I volunteered to be the head of the group, and so far everyone says "sure", though i will gladly step down if the detective wants to take over.

    Like i said, i know the detective, but just in case im not telling anyone his name to keep it safe. TinCow said "he is 100% pro-town and the only one we can trust" ...the detective has yet to get back to me.
    Right. I remember some pm's you forwarded to me now. -- is the rogue detective/webley killer. We have about 6 people in our group now. Elite ferret I don't trust. Keep in mind that whoever we include in the protection group, we are basically telling them that -- is a detective. I think he must be protected tonight, but I think it's a bad idea to have a group of three on the job.

    Sasaki


    Well now that it is out there i dont have to hide his name from you

    Anyway, yes. we should protect him. I am not trusting Elite either...without asking him yet he told me he doesnt want to be in protection groups...possibly knowing they will fail?

    I will test him tonight if -- gives me the leadership. if not, then Ill be doing what -- says.
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    And here, i have no relations with Elite Ferret!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    How many protections do you have? We could use a new doctor.

    no successful protects, and as I said, I'd rather be a vigilante I'm sure someone else is closer to a doctorate than me.
    true, but it would be helpful, seeig that one of our members needs only one more protection.
    If this doesnt say it...please Elite, TinCow, confess that you did not tell me any of this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    People, i have no intention of joining a family! I trusted TinCow, but no...i never said anything about joining a family!
    Perhaps your telling the truth, but we really can't risk that. can we?

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    ...even if you dont believe me, i dont care. Those posts can be confirmed by Sasaki...and if TinCow/Elite have any honor they will admit to it too. I am innocent...i had no intention nor knowledge of what was taking place.


    EDIT:

    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
    I'll be in any vigilante groups you guys want. Though I'd like to steer clear of protecting, only been bad experiences for me (I found out later that I had been protecting mafia )
    Really? who?


    And it is so hard to see your name without thinking "Julii"
    Kommodus, GH and Tran. I was gullible and new to this game

    How many protections do you have? We could use a new doctor.

    The Julii thing refers to a new PBM that i started up disregard that...but this is more proof i didnt trust Elite, and was trying to see why he wouldnt protect. If I knew of TinCow's intentions, then why wouldnt i know Elite ferret? Why would i be suspicious? Ponder that...it is very possible that he changed his mind about myself and instead questioned Caius.

    EDIT2: Also note that Elite contacted me...not the other way around. I only sent a PM asking if anyone would elect me to group leader to all those who TinCow sent a PM to...elite was on the list.
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    I don't believe you are innocent. TinCow gave every indication that he intended to create a family and he wanted you and elite in his group. GH posted the pm from TinCow. It makes perfect sense.

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    FWIW, I believe True Praetorian's claim that he had no intention of starting a new mafia family with TinCow.

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    FWIW, I don't. TC, as I learned firsthand from KOTR, is the king of manipulation on a multiplayer level. He could be telling TP what to do, even if TP isn't smart enough to be convincing himself.
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    All he has told me to do was to protect the detective:

    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    Ah, almost forgot... --- is also new to the group, but he was in the successful townie protection on Prole earlier in the game. One more successful protection would boost him to Doctor, which would be a good asset to have around.

    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    Quote Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
    Quote Originally Posted by TinCow
    TP: This is to you only. Since I am not yet officially lynched, I can still tell you this. Do not repeat it to anyone: -- is the Rogue Detective (.577 Webley killer). This is 100% confirmed. Sasaki knows his identity and I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to kill him tonight. It is important to keep -- alive, so I would recommend a protection group on him.

    If they all elect me to be the leader then i will gladly do so, but if they dont then what can i say. Thank you for the trust TinCow, it is important in such a tricky game to have close friends...again thank you.

    How many wiseguys does it take to protect someone? How many of the guys are wiseguys? -- is now definatley priority..but how does Sasaki know?
    With me dead, the only wiseguys I know of are you and Xehh II. I suspect Caius is a wiseguy by now as well, but he shouldn't be trusted anymore. Remember that that failed hit on Tran that caused me to distrust you? That was you, JimBob, Lt. Pinard, and Caius. I assumed it was you or Lt. Pinard, because I trusted JimBob and Caius. However, it wasn't you and Lt. Pinard's post-mortem showed him as a townie. When I saw that I just though someone must've gotten confused about what happened with their orders. With Caius' strange last minute vote change, he may be the answer I missed. Perhaps he's been doing an excellent job as a mafioso this entire time. Or perhaps he's just under Sasaki's spell. It's hard to tell.

    BSR is still a townie. Elite Ferret is also townie, but he's a new person in the group and hasn't been tested yet. Make him prove himself before you trust him too much.

    I believe Prole is a detective, but I'm not 100% positive on that. Work with -- , he knows everything important.
    Will do.


    Maybe i did fall under his spell?? But i didnt know...please you have to trust me...
    Last edited by TruePraetorian; 03-07-2008 at 02:03.
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    Everything is more beautiful because we are doomed.
    You will never be lovlier than you are now.

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