Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Haudegen]

I wonder if Sigurd will show up with his ground breaking informations.

unvote: abstain
vote: Sigurd

in order to demonstrate that my patience is limited

Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster, Makanyane, Haudegen)

Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)

gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)

Tran - 1 (Little Grizzly)

TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)

Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)

[TinCow]

Also, if gibsong is a known made gangster, why not try for a double lynch? If the mafia screw it up, it doesn't really matter. A dead made is a good to the town (if not better) as a dead don.

gibson is not a known Made. All the information I saw was that he was a wiseguy, but with enough kills under his belt to be promoted to Made next time he makes a kill. Currently, though I believe him to still be a wiseguy.

He certainly needs to be disposed of, but I consider him a much lower level target than Sigurd. I would even put Tran above gibson at this point.

[Husar]

The Prole situation is very easy to resolve. She has been protected by a single person on every single night that she was attacked, even the night when Husar claims his group protected her as well. That's either a Doctor/Surgeon or a Luca. If it's a Doctor/Surgeon, that person should be perfectly happy informing JimBob that they have been protecting Prole. JimBob is 100% trustworthy and he will not pass on information to anyone else, even other pro-townies, if you ask it of him. All that is required to clear Prole is for the Doctor/Surgeon to contact JimBob and explain the situation. Then JimBob can tell us that Prole is cleared of suspicion and we can start looking at other targets. Since there is no reason for a Doctor/Surgeon not to talk to JimBob, we can also conclude that if he is not contacted by anyone, that Prole is protected by a Luca.

Bollox. I told the doctor and prole that his identity should stay between the three of us as he is basically her health insurance, you can ask Louis as we workes closely together and I told him the same, he doesn't know the doctor's identity either. Since he(the doctor, now surgeon) is one of the few townies who are actually reliable and intelligent, he obviously kept it to himself.

The interesting part is Prole's protectors. [/B]Of the 11 individual protections, 5 have been protecting prole.

Now it seems to me this can only be one individual protecting her. It would be a remarkable coincidence if three doctors had been sharing her protection duty, all of them avoiding becoming a surgeon.

And yet, prole's protector clearly is not a surgeon. In the last protection, he reaches out and grabs a snake, but instead of throwing it at the attacker (or doing anything which might threaten the attacker) he simply ties the dead snake to a locked door.

I submit therefore that Prole must be protected by a Luca, which makes her a Don. Perhaps the FBI agent could check this out?

I didn't read your whole post but this is bollox as well. You're assuming things you cannot assume because you don't know how a surgeon works or how a protection of a surgeon would look. You might however have read that last night the protector tried to get a weapon out, I don't remember the exact text but he fought the attacker and tried to ready a weapon, the chance to score a kill on the attacker is only 1/3rd and since the attacker is lonely we can be pretty sure it's a special role and not two mafia mades doing the attack, this may be a hint at the attacker having a higher chance to survive, the description said he was a very strong person. Since it has been mentioned before my death I guess it's okay when I say I was part of the townie group that protected prole once. I knew she had double protection and like I said above, the doctor was her health assurance in case the townie group would fail as I had several failures in protection before. And it's not like there was anyone else worthwhile to protect anyway. If you don't believe me, fine, I'm not sure you're innocent either.

I know you're limited in what you can say now dead but I can't figure out what you mean by that connection, he told you something then decided to kill you afterwards for knowing it? or he/you then told someone else the information and were killed because someone else knew you knew..

No, he said certain things in the night Louis died and gave me a protection target which I should protect, I didn't believe him and protected someone else, turned out this someone else died, protection failure of shlin(he mentioned it here and here)
Well, the target that was oh so likely to be attacked according to CR wasn't attacked at all. He may have killed Louis and me simply because he gave us certain other information we cannot mention now but we didn't believe him and attacked him in the thread. Maybe I should've gone ahead earlier but I saw a chance that his info might not be a bunch of lies after all but I guess it was, or maybe he's just very bad at selling it.
If he does have good intentions I appologize but I simply don't see anything he tried or had in mind turned out well and then Louis and I die before we can make certain info about him public, if that isn't interesting then I don't know what is.

[Caius]

I know you're limited in what you can say now dead but I can't figure out what you mean by that connection, he told you something then decided to kill you afterwards for knowing it? or he/you then told someone else the information and were killed because someone else knew you knew..



Vote:Sigurd
on overall weight of evidence (Drisos) and not because I trust all JimBob's contacts too much

speaking of which JimBob are you ever going to tell town what sources those results come from? Not asking for names just type of source... Detective A, FBI detective B, inspired guesswork (see TinCow on TP), or results kindly supplied by Sasaki from his trusty Made.... ?

Now thats scummy Makanyane. You are claiming that JimBob reveal the names and all the evidence so your mafia family can go and kill the FBI detective this night?

[TinCow]

Bollox. I told the doctor and prole that his identity should stay between the three of us as he is basically her health insurance, you can ask Louis as we workes closely together and I told him the same, he doesn't know the doctor's identity either. Since he(the doctor, now surgeon) is one of the few townies who are actually reliable and intelligent, he obviously kept it to himself.

Hmm. Well, I want to believe you because I do think you have been working for the town from the beginning. However, what guarantee do we have that you haven't been fooled by them? Part of my personal difficulty is that I have not seen Prole do anything to help the town at any time. If she's so important that she has convinced a doctor to protect her every single day, then surely she should be doing something significant to help us. I don't see that happening. If she is pro-town, she had better start producing something to justify this constant Doctor protection.

[Proletariat]

There's no sense in me revealing my role in the thread now. I've revealed already to a few certain protown players who can vouch for me. Right now I prefer watching this weak bandwagon on me by players like EMFM (criminal). Husar already detailed how I've been protected and it's 100% correct. What else do you want? The actual doctor's name?

Earlier in the game when I had information on GH and suspicions of Sasaki, I brought them to the thread and I was asked to hush or get my head straight. I was absolutely right about GH and wrong, (maybe not altogether, but in my reasoning anyway) about Sasaki. Since then I've been working through PMs and using the small amount of reliable information to make decisions.

These lynches have mostly been disasters or mistakes so far, so I don't know what you're expecting me to pull off in this thread.

Vote: Tran Sigurd is either as good as dead or will exonerate himself, and plus, I'm one of those weird townies that votes to lynch confirmed mafia.

Tally soon

[Proletariat]

Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sarathos, CA, Joe Monks, True Praetorian, TinCow, Warluster, Makanyane, Haudegen)

Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)

gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)

Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)

Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)

[Sigurd]

Ok.. I am sorry that I was not able to do this earlier.
RL and family at weekends demands my time.

I have pieced together all the small hints and insinuations I have received via pm.
And here is what came out of it.

Jimbob, I don’t know what you are doing but you are dishonest regarding this FBI agent claim.
You have at least one Don infiltrating your organisation. This Don is posing as your FBI agent. But I have suspicions that you already know this. This is why the pro-town should take heed. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
You suddenly changed your claim over night from alluding to two investigations on me that were both guilty to one innocent and one guilty. Why did you mention two investigations in the first place and make us all think you got two guilty reads. And you probably know by now that it would be a 1/18 chance of finding a Don from that second investigation. But I take it you didn’t know this or the Don mole didn’t when posting the claim.

I am probably un-saveable at this point so I might as well spill out all I know about this since I wouldn’t be able to do so after I die.
I am not a Don, but I have worked for the mafia. I have been contacted several times by Capo II’s version of the Wolf. This wolf has put me in contact with the most powerful Dons. They are allowed to call in favours in the form of hits. I am the Hitman. I killed w&f, Louis and lastly tried to kill TinCow. They were all orders from the mafia Dons. My win conditions will be a result of how many points I am able to gain from these killings.

I was contacted last night by several of the dead Mafiosi who relayed messages from their Dons. Apparently CR infiltrated the Don meetings and by using his pro-account read IP addresses of the different posters. Apparently he found one belonging to BKKB which is the largest ISP in Hordaland. It is the state owned power company and the IP would have been the backbone address. Now… I suspect that CR relayed this information to Jimbob and posed as the FBI agent.
Am I correct?
Yes CR got through the pm checks and got into the meeting hiding as a Don. Apparently he didn’t fail any of the tests showing that he had his hands on a genuine Capo II Don Role pm. He didn’t even stumble on choosing one of the 5 names.

Back to the IP thing. A lot of Norwegians use this ISP and would have the same back bone address. I suspect there are other players from my part of the world in this game?

The point is… there were no FBI agent investigations… It is all a hoax and Jimbob, CR and Tincow are all in it together.
I suspect foul play and the town should take action and demand a proper explanation. For me it is probably too late. You will all see that I am not Don Corleone but the Hitman in about three days.

CR is a Don, Tincow might be a Don… Sasaki I am not sure about. There is nothing that I can point at, other than pushing for my lynch based on non existing FBI agent investigations.
I have been contacted by the FBI agent or someone close to the FBI agent. This FBI agent does not trust that Jimbob does what is right for the town. He should cleanse his organisation of moles first.

My role is neutral so I don’t care either way.

[TinCow]

Earlier in the game when I had information on GH and suspicions of Sasaki, I brought them to the thread and I was asked to hush or get my head straight.

Please accept my apologies for that. I did that intentionally to try to keep GH alive, since his lynch votes were getting very high. I suppose that deserves an explanation...

At that point, I was working with GH, Northnovas, and gibson in an attempt to make a 6th mafia family. When GH died, that became pointless (I was a townie, so there was no possibility to make kills with the three surviving members). The rest wanted to join the Stracchi, but I thought that was a bad idea and wanted to go pro-town. I tried to convince them of this, but I stopped when it became obvious that I was the only one who held that position. So, I pretended to go along with their plan, with them thinking I was operating as an informant within the townie groups. In fact, I was giving all my information to JimBob and helping influence the Stracchi to hit mafia targets instead of townie targets. JimBob can confirm this, as I came clean on everything early on. When the Stracchi decided to start targeting townies, we decided it was time to eliminate them for good, hence last night's actions and the information I have provided since then.

Again, apologies for that 'attack' post earlier. It was an intentional tactic on my part to keep votes off of GH.

[Proletariat]

Please accept my apologies for that. I did that intentionally to try to keep GH alive, since his lynch votes were getting very high. I suppose that deserves an explanation...

No apology necessary at all, since you were quite right. Up to that point all I was basically posting was 'LYNCH GH' with only a little substance. I just wanted to explain why no one's getting any crowd moving speeches out of me. Louis had a few posts that were perfectly clear and laid everything out in detail in those rounds but they still fell on deaf ears. At that point I was convinced no one but the mafia players were even interested in the game, so I got a little more quiet in the thread.

btw, missed Sigurd's vote on TinCow, sorry

[Sigurd]

Taking Haudegen's tally and putting my vote back into Prole's version.

Sigurd - 11 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)

Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)

[GeneralHankerchief]

At that point, I was working with GH, Northnovas, and gibson in an attempt to make a 6th mafia family. When GH died, that became pointless (I was a townie, so there was no possibility to make kills with the three surviving members). The rest wanted to join the Stracchi, but I thought that was a bad idea and wanted to go pro-town. I tried to convince them of this, but I stopped when it became obvious that I was the only one who held that position. So, I pretended to go along with their plan, with them thinking I was operating as an informant within the townie groups. In fact, I was giving all my information to JimBob and helping influence the Stracchi to hit mafia targets instead of townie targets. JimBob can confirm this, as I came clean on everything early on. When the Stracchi decided to start targeting townies, we decided it was time to eliminate them for good, hence last night's actions and the information I have provided since then.

I still say you took the easy way out. Where's your sense of adventure?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, sigurds explanation seems entirely reasonable. Unless someone can see part of his story that doesn't check out or Jimbob can post the part of the fbi detective role pm that shows how he can find a don then maybe we should switch to tran.

unvote:sigurd,vote:tran

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I still say you took the easy way out. Where's your sense of adventure?

I for one am very disappointed in all the mafia betrayers we've had this game. Either plan the infiltration from the beginning or stick with the family, don't quit when going gets rough and snitch

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote: Prole
vote: Sigurd

One flaw in your big 'expose' there Sigurd - I don't have a pro account with any chat room places, or any websites in the world. By that I assume something you have to pay to obtain.

And about the don meeting - if it was a meeting of dons, and I don't think there are any other Norwegian players in the game (Norwegian Nerd apparently doesn't live there), then how would a Norwegian IP show up if you were not at the meeting? Unless the hitman was invited to chat at the don meeting, which would be silly if it was a don meeting.

Sasaki - Sigurd is a mafia killer who can kill on his own, if you believe him.

tally
Sigurd - 11 ( Kage, CR, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen)
Proletatriat - 2 (EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 3 (Little Grizzly, Prole, Sasaki)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)
gibsong - 1 (Myrddraal)

CR

[Myrddraal]

@Sigurd.

I can see that this might all be set up to save you. Andres communicates to the mafia through the public thread (when he could have gone private through dead confirmed mafia) something about a Hitman, and then you come up with this.

I'm inclined to believe that a Hitman role exists, it fits the descriptions, but why should we believe it's you. After all, if you are a mafia don you'd know all about the hitman role.

So if you want me to not vote for you, you have to convince me that you're going pro-town. So spill the beans, you didn't reveal all yet.

Who's the wolf, who are the mafia dons.

If you don't tell, then whatever the case you are still pro-mafia, and should be lynched.

Unvote: gibsong

Vote: Sigurd

Sigurd - 12 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)

Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)

[Myrddraal]

New tally (I missed the most recent post)

tally
Sigurd - 12 ( Kage, CR, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 2 (EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 3 (Little Grizzly, Prole, Sasaki)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)

[Sigurd]

unvote: Prole
vote: Sigurd

One flaw in your big 'expose' there Sigurd - I don't have a pro account with any chat room places, or any websites in the world. By that I assume something you have to pay to obtain.

And about the don meeting - if it was a meeting of dons, and I don't think there are any other Norwegian players in the game (Norwegian Nerd apparently doesn't live there), then how would a Norwegian IP show up if you were not at the meeting? Unless the hitman was invited to chat at the don meeting, which would be silly if it was a don meeting.

Sasaki - Sigurd is a mafia killer who can kill on his own, if you believe him.

CR

I am just using the pieces of information that I got.

So you are saying you never attended the Don meeting or never posed as Don?
I have two different players claim this. One says you told this in confidence and bragging about it, another comes from the mafia itself.

[Proletariat]

Shame we can't get an extension on this vote. It'll be interesting later to see who lined up where on this lynch.

[Sigurd]

@Sigurd.

I can see that this might all be set up to save you. Andres communicates to the mafia through the public thread (when he could have gone private through dead confirmed mafia) something about a Hitman, and then you come up with this.

I'm inclined to believe that a Hitman role exists, it fits the descriptions, but why should we believe it's you. After all, if you are a mafia don you'd know all about the hitman role.

So if you want me to not vote for you, you have to convince me that you're going pro-town. So spill the beans, you didn't reveal all yet.

Who's the wolf, who are the mafia dons.

If you don't tell, then whatever the case you are still pro-mafia, and should be lynched.

Unvote: gibsong

Vote: Sigurd

Sigurd - 12 (Sasaki, Kage, shlin, sara, CA, JMonks, TP, TinCow, Warluster, Mak, Haudegen, Myrddraal)
Proletatriat - 3 (CR, EMFM, Elite Ferret)
Tran - 2 (Little Grizzly, Prole)
TinCow - 1 (Sigurd)

Abstain - 2 (Ironside, Twilightblade)

I don't really know the identities of the Dons. The Shadow never told and he is dead now anyways. I get the orders from Seamus.
I have my suspicions of who they are though. I named two. Lynch them and in three days you will know for sure.
But I can't really say more since I am dead and this belong in the red sections of my pm...
It has been a fun game...

[Crazed Rabbit]

I am just using the pieces of information that I got.

So you are saying you never attended the Don meeting or never posed as Don?
I have two different players claim this. One says you told this in confidence and bragging about it, another comes from the mafia itself.

Well, clearly that information is wrong.

Earlier you presumed to tell the town how to run its business. You are an admitted mafia role, and so whatever you suggest should be ignored.

You also haven't addressed the hole in your logic:

And about the don meeting - if it was a meeting of dons, and I don't think there are any other Norwegian players in the game (Norwegian Nerd apparently doesn't live there), then how would a Norwegian IP show up if you were not at the meeting? Unless the hitman was invited to chat at the don meeting, which would be silly if it was a don meeting.

You should be especially ignored if you claim to advise the town and know mafia roles, but withhold them from the town.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:sigurd

You can't hold back on names.

[Myrddraal]

You're not dead yet. Reveal what you can.

[Sigurd]

unvote,vote:sigurd

You can't hold back on names.

It is past the deadline

I am now officially dead... and there is another Norwegian player.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't do it, Sigurd! Don't give them the names! If the mafia has any hope of winning, the Dons must remain protected.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Lame excuse, Sigurd. Think of this as the period were you are being taken to the gallows. You can still talk.

Who's the other Norwegian player?

Don't do it, Sigurd! Don't give them the names! If the mafia has any hope of winning, the Dons must remain protected.

LOL! From a self proclaimed 'pro town' player!

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, I doubt the hitman was a pro town character. I thought maybe we could get you to work for the town the way the serial killer did last game.

You aren't officially dead until seamus posts and you know that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

LOL! From a self proclaimed 'pro town' player!

Oh come on, I think that charade is pretty well shot.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'd agree. I was just remembering a couple days ago, when you used your postmortem as proof of your pro-townness.

We can't even trust the dead who are found not guilty by Seamus's officers.

CR

[Sigurd]

I you want anything from me... admit that the FBI agent claim is false. Only then can I trust the information I got.

The shadow (Capo II's version of the Wolf) was a dutchman. I am not sure if I am allowed to actually name him (red section).

And as I said... I don't know the name of the Dons. And the IP thing, if CR is claiming it is all false, is no longer relevant. This other player could be framed as I was.
I don't know who Don Corleone is or the others. All I know is that someone claimed that CR infiltrated the Don meeting posing as a Don and using a genuine pm to get in.
The other is TinCow's magically survival of my hit. I have a better chance of killing than other mades or serial killers.
I can even penetrate protections. I guess it was intended that i should take hand of infiltrations. The shadow would contact the most powerful dons and solicit kills.
Apparently large families would have problems with infiltrations. And I guess all my targets were infiltrators or traitors.